War in Space

RobertKK

The next major war could happen in space.

CNN had a program last night about what is happening in space. The US and a lot of other places in the world be disabled via satellites in space.
The GPS system the world uses is operated by the US.

China and Russia are the leaders in satellite disablement. China tested a missile against one of their own satellites where they blew it up.
Satellites have been developed and tested in space where they kidnap other satellites by latching onto them and taking them off course.
Kamikaze satellites whose role is to crash into other satellites and destroy them.
Satellites that move around to other satellites to spy on them which a Russian satellite has done by moving next to US military satellites.

According to CNN the US is unprepared to protect their satellites in space. They claim before the next big war in the world rather than bombs falling it is most likely a country that is a target will be disabled via sabotaging satellites which would lead to so many things we take for granted going off line.

The US has developed a space drone, so if you think we don't have enough war on Earth, it looks like it is heading into space next.

www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/11/28/politics/space-war-us-military-preparations/index.html

Jim Bob Scratcher

All the Aliens will be heading to Europe next.

Duff

I've played enough Call Of Duty to know Ireland will be grand.

Gatling

America has has anti satellite weapons for a long time now ,
I remember when they could use an F15 to launch from in particular ,
Be interested to see what the US X-37 has been up for several years in space

Atlantic Dawn

Once I can still get my Sky Sports I don't mind what goes on.

StupidLikeAFox

We don't really need satellites now as most people have GPS in their phones

Junkyard Tom

A lot of people don't know that 99% of global communications happen via undersea cables.

Most people probably don’t know that 99 percent of all transoceanic data traffic goes through undersea cables, and that includes Internet usage, phone calls and text messages. This route is also faster than satellite transmissions, by up to eight-fold.

europe.newsweek.com

RobertKK

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

We don't really need satellites now as most people have GPS in their phones

GPS depends on satellites.

eet fuk

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

We don't really need satellites now as most people have GPS in their phones

Lol

The Backwards Man

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A lot of people don't know that 99% of global communications happen via undersea cables.

Bobby Darin is on boards!

maudgonner

RobertKK wrote: »

GPS depends on satellites.

Whoosh.

That's either the sound of a space missile or the sound of the joke going over your head :pac:

Armchair Andy

Satellites have feelings too, you can't just leave them out there in the freezing cold.

RobertKK

maudgonner wrote: »

Whoosh.

That's either the sound of a space missile or the sound of the joke going over your head :pac:

Well that satellite certainly went over my head.

RobertKK

The Russians developed their own GPS system which came fully into effect in the last decade and it is called GLONASS.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

bodhrandude

I hope the news agencies streams this space war, it will put Sci Fi films out of business. :pac:

Junkyard Tom

RobertKK wrote: »

The Russians developed their own GPS system which came fully into effect in the last decade and it is called GLONASS.

The EU is developing the Galileo GPS system which pissed-off the USofA.

I wonder will Britain have access to the Galileo system post-Brexit...

Gatling

RobertKK wrote: »

The Russians developed their own GPS system which came fully into effect in the last decade and it is called GLONASS.

There using off the shelf Garmins fitted to their military aircraft

Ten of Swords

RobertKK wrote: »

Kamikaze satellites whose role is to crash into other satellites and destroy them.

Trashing satellites in orbit is not a very good idea.

The Kessler Effect

Capt'n Midnight

RobertKK wrote: »

The GPS system the world uses is operated by the US

The EU has Galileo our one is GSAT0203 nicknamed Adam.

The Russians have GLONASS , China has BeiDou , India has IRNSS, France has DORIS, Japan has QZSS. And besides mobile phone masts and WiFi hotspots are pretty well mapped.


So if the US GPS system disappeared then the worst case would be a top of the range mobile phone taking a couple of seconds longer to get a location.

RobertKK

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The EU has Galileo our one is GSAT0203 nicknamed Adam.

The Russians have GLONASS , China has BeiDou , India has IRNSS, France has DORIS, Japan has QZSS. And besides mobile phone masts and WiFi hotspots are pretty well mapped.


So if the US GPS system disappeared then the worst case would be a top of the range mobile phone taking a couple of seconds longer to get a location.

That is all very interesting.
How many of them allow civilian use like the US GPS system?

GreenFolder2

It's actually very hard to take out GPS and similar because they're networks of lots of satellites not just single entities and we have redundancy in the sense that you can use at least two systems on most mobile devices. iPhone for example is using GPS and the Russian system. So do most devices.

I would actually be more concerned about the risk of a war that involved cutting under sea fibre. That would cause absolute chaos. Most cables run along routes that aren't very protected or even protectable.

We're not as dependent on communications satellites, other than for broadcast television, as we were 30+ years ago but we're utterly dependent on fibre links.

Very, very few telecommunications links actually go by satellite these days. Whereas they were the primary means of doing intercontinental calls and data in the 70s, 80s and into the 90s. The latency (ping times) aren't really acceptable for 2 way communication.

Pinch Flat

They need to build a sophisticated heat beam which we call a "laser" and with this "laser" take out the enemies of this world.

Stigura

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The EU has Galileo

Galileo Figaro? Magnifico-o-o-o-o.

Armchair Andy

Pinch Flat wrote:

They need to build a sophisticated heat beam which we call a "laser" and with this "laser" take out the enemies of this world.

That would cost an absolute fortune- Like 1 million dollars!

Jawgap

RobertKK wrote: »

The next major war could happen in space.

CNN had a program last night about what is happening in space. The US and a lot of other places in the world be disabled via satellites in space.
The GPS system the world uses is operated by the US.

China and Russia are the leaders in satellite disablement. China tested a missile against one of their own satellites where they blew it up.
Satellites have been developed and tested in space where they kidnap other satellites by latching onto them and taking them off course.
Kamikaze satellites whose role is to crash into other satellites and destroy them.
........

Celestial navigation is back in vogue - as the US Navy said when asked about why they were resurrecting it, "you can't hack the sky."

Also all US SLBMs use an astro-inertial guidance system.

RobertKK

It was claimed on the CNN that when the US do precision targeting by lets say flying to an ISIS target, that the operation is satellite guided for precision strikes, with the claim this reduces causalities of innocent people.

Ted111

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSY4fEEg4j0

Skylinehead

Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace

Manic Moran

The US has a proven capability of destroying satellites as well. The ASAT missile was launched from an F-15. They haven't actually done it in a few decades, as when they did do the testing, they discovered that the destruction resulted in an unGodly amount of space debris which was a hazard to everything else up there, and was untrackable.

But, yes, it's basically all but impossible to protect a satellite network right now.

jimmy blevins

RobertKK wrote: »

The Russians developed their own GPS system which came fully into effect in the last decade and it is called GLONASS.

North Korea is in the process of developing their own GONAD system.

seamus

An invented scare. I'd like to see a country manage to destroy one satellite in geostationary orbit without someone else noticing, never mind 10 of them.

All of the anti-satellite technology demonstrated so far has been to disable low earth orbit satellites - one well under 1,000km. This is where observational satellites sit, and is where they focus it because (a) it's far easier to hit and (b) it's where spy satellites live.

GPS by contrast sits at 20,000 km. And GPS satellites are about the size of a small car. Russia nor China at present have the technology to hit several of these simultaneously and quietly. The launches would be noticed and there would be several hours to make counter-attack moves.

It would be far cheaper and more effective to put a couple of jamming satellites in a lower orbit that disrupt the GPS signal over important areas.

Ted111

It's a frightening thought that your GONADs could be attacked and
taken out.

GreenFolder2

I suspect the simple approach would be some kind of large net or harpoon that attaches a significant weight to the satellite causing it to fall out of orbit, rather than blowing it up causing huge amounts of debris.

Impossible to do without absolutely everyone noticing.

Personally, I would be far more worried about someone sabotaging subsea cables carrying fibres.

Capt'n Midnight

jimmy blevins wrote: »

North Korea is in the process of developing their own GONAD system.

dr.fuzzenstein

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Trashing satellites in orbit is not a very good idea.

The Kessler Effect

Yes. But since when has "this is a bad idea" ever stopped the human race from doing something monumentally stupid.
Our motto is "as long as I can achieve my short term goal, I don't care about long term effects"