HPV Vaccine

Katy100

This year my daughter was due to get the HPV vaccine in school however after seeing some videos online from a support group called Regret earlier this year I thought it was best not to. But then I watched Prime Time last week and I think I may have made the wrong decision. Does anyone here have any experience of this vaccine (good or bad) as I want to make sure I do best by my daughter. I am so torn with this at the moment and I would really appreciate some advice.

EoghanIRL

The WHO can be a useful resource to gather information on health topics.
You have to make an informed decision and weigh the benefits and the risks. When you balance the potential adverse effects of the vaccination with the benefits , then personally I would be in favour of it.

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/HPV_Vaccine_rates_information_sheet.pdf?ua=1

Of the total number of reports,
92% were considered to be non- serious, and 8% were considered serious
(VAERS 2011).
Analysis of the currently available reports has not shown an excessive number of serious or unexpected adverse events (Slade et al 2009).
In particular further investigation of case reports of Guillain
-Barré syndrome, blood clots, and deaths have not revealed any pattern suggesting a causal association with vaccination

Nonoperational

Fair play to you for reconsidering. Educate yourself with non bias info, if it was me I would give it to my daughter.

RobFowl

I have 2 boys and am a GP (so thats the bias out of the way).
I've seen no serious side effects though about 1 in 30 seem to get quite faint after the vaccine.
Regret have repeatedly ignored and refused to provide any evidence for their claims and IMO are scaremongering.
I would have no hesitation giving it to my children (it may be and should be extended to boys).

SEPT 23 1989

My daughter was very sick for a few days after it high temperature and a bad rash

No long term effects thankfully

Mrs OBumble

A certain number of young woman would have gotten sick with the issues that Regret is using as evidence anyway - whether or not they had the vaccine. Everyone looks for something to blame when they get sick.

bonnor

It is very hard to know what to do in this situation, and I feel for the girls who are complaining of these side effects, however the symptoms they are experience which they put down to the vaccine are also being experience by many boys who never had this vaccine

Arbie

It's great that parents and patients are thinking about vaccines and engaging more with their health. It's not so long ago that people did whatever doctors told them too, which isn't good for doctor or patient. It can be an emotional topic and there is huge pressure on parents to be perfect and to never expose their kids to any risk. It can feel like parents are always under a microscope and the most diligent parents often feel it the most.

People should be able to hold authorities accountable but they have to be reasonable and constructive. The Regret campaign may be based on genuine concerns but their approach is not scientific or rational. There is no level of risk that they will accept and their responses suggest some sort of conspiracy theory or willful neglect on the part of the HSE or vaccine manufacturers.

Quoting public health statistics and sound scientific data to people does not help. In fact, the more evidence you present to people who have strong views the more likely you are to cement their position against you. It's a frustrating quirk of psychology.

A relative recently asked me if her daughter should get it next year. She is worried as her friend is totally against it, citing Regret. I told her that she is right to question any procedure, medication, vaccine, and that shows she is a caring parent. I gave her the 2 main points that stick out for me:

1 - My friends and colleagues who are paediatricians and GPs have all vaccinated their daughters. These are professionals who have a lot of knowledge and experience of child health. They love their children, they want the best for them, and they chose the vaccine. If it was so unsafe, would these parents put their children in danger? They are practising what they preach. I think that is meaningful.

2 - I asked her: if there was a vaccine against breast cancer would you give it to your daughter? She said of course. I said even if there was a small (tiny) risk of a side effect. She said yes, even then. So I said, the HPV vaccine prevents the majority of cervical, vaginal, and anal cancers. She hadn't thought about it as a cancer prevention vaccine. I think that is a powerful idea.

I don't know if she will opt for the vaccine in the end but she said she is less concerned now.

Simon2015

The OP is right to be concerned one of Ireland's most respected Doctor's Andrew Rynne has said that the HPV Vaccine "could easily be the next thalidomite".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WmT94jjaIc

Also the company who makes the Vaccine Merck has a long history of criminality.

https://leoniefennell.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/merck-still-corrupt-and-still-in-ireland/

http://www.propeciasideeffects.co.uk/mercks-killer-drugs---merck-make-drugs-that-kill-people.html



One of their drugs Vioxx which they knew was dangerous killed over 50 thousand people.

Its amazing that Merck is still in existence or that they still have any credibility among medical professionals after Vioxx.

It is a company run by Sociopaths.

Kurtosis

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endacl

bonnor wrote: »

It is very hard to know what to do in this situation

No it's not. Consider the evidence provided by those who are qualified to speak on the topic and who know an awful lot about it. Ignore the bullcrap from spurious websites and dreadlocked yoga teachers.

And vaccinate.

Arbie

Simon2015 wrote: »

The OP is right to be concerned one of Ireland's most respected Doctor's Andrew Rynne has said that the HPV Vaccine "could easily be the next thalidomite".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WmT94jjaIc

Why do you say that Andrew Rynne is " one of Ireland's most respected Doctor's"? He is a former head of IFPA but otherwise is not well known and does not have any apparent expertise in vaccines or paediatrics. Arguments from authority are best avoided.

Simon2015 wrote: »

Also the company who makes the Vaccine Merck has a long history of criminality.

https://leoniefennell.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/merck-still-corrupt-and-still-in-ireland/

http://www.propeciasideeffects.co.uk/mercks-killer-drugs---merck-make-drugs-that-kill-people.html

One of their drugs Vioxx which they knew was dangerous killed over 50 thousand people.

Its amazing that Merck is still in existence or that they still have any credibility among medical professionals after Vioxx.

It is a company run by Sociopaths.

That is a personal blog and a fringe website. Is there no more legitimate source you could have cited? It looks like poisoning the well (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well).

_Brian

I think it important to note that since it was first administered the overall dosage has changed. Girls will now receive less than those did a few years ago.

My wife is a health care professional and our daughter was due to get this but we decided against based on evidence at the time. Fainting and sickness is common initially, with a small % this lasts longer and it seems in a very small % the reaction is greater and lasts much longer.

Perhaps now that the vaccine has been reduced from three shots to two there will be less complications seen.

Simon2015

penguin88 wrote: »

Mod note:

Simon, you've been told previously that there's a certain standard of posting expected in Health Sciences and as per the charter, claims should be supported by scientific evidence, not youtube videos.Please read the forum charter before posting again.

The youtube link I posted was an interview with a highly respected Irish Doctor who has spoken out against the Vaccine.

Also do I really need to post links to back up the Vioxx scandal ? which on it own proves Merck are criminals who put profit ahead of patient safety.

jh79

Simon2015 wrote: »

The youtube link I posted was an interview with a highly respected Irish Doctor who has spoken out against the Vaccine.

Also do I really need to post links to back up the Vioxx scandal ? which on it own proves Merck are criminals who put profit ahead of patient safety.

Well if this guy is basing his opinions on actual research just stick up the links to the studies he mentions.

L1011

There is a non-Merck HPV vaccine available - Cervarix. I believe it doesn't cover as many subtypes but its been a long time since I checked and the Google results are now poisoned with nonsense.

If Merck is the core concern for people, use the other one. Its not though, is it? Its a smokescreen to try justify general anti-vaccination stuff.

Advbrd

My wife died from cervical cancer one of the causes of which is HPV.
My daughter is vaccinated.

Vaccinate!

clairek6

Went to an all girls school of 500+ and haven't heard of any negative reactions to the vaccine, only my friend who would feel very sleepy the day we got it and then back to normal (about 5 years ago)

boxer.fan

As someone who has first hand knowledge of cervical cancer & all the horrors it brings, I would strongly recommend considering the vaccine. Taking your chances with cervical cancer, especially for a young woman, carries known risk with life changing & possibly life threatening consequences.
If I had a daughter, I would be arranging the vaccine for her.