Are plumbers / carpenters / painters not professionals

blackvalley

In today's Sunday independent I read an article that says " The number of professionals including architects , doctors , and solicitors who are struggling with their mortgages has soared this year .
My question is . What constitutes you as a " professional "
Is there some sort of snobbish up yourself element at play here where someone like plumbers , welder , plasterers or those who gets their hands dirty at work are not considered to be a professional . I am sure many in this category are also struggling with mortgages

ThisRegard

It's just a phrase used to class types of employment, not a commentary on social class. I often wear a blue collar to work but sit behind a desk all day

lc180

blackvalley wrote: »

My question is . What constitutes you as a " professional "

let me google that for you.....

A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity. The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession.

Earthhorse

In this context they are not; they are tradesmen.

Stoogie

Earthhorse wrote: »

In this context they are not; they are tradesmen.

Professional tradesmen

degsie

Are train drivers engineers?

Alf Stewart.

I'm classed as a "professional", not in the building game, but the workwear tomorrow will consist of a pair of steel capped boots, and a pair of "Snickers" work trousers and a fleece.

Yes I'll scrub up for certain customers meetings, but by and large, the term "professional" is more often misguided than not.

johnnyskeleton

Doctor lawyer architect and dentist are professions because they are regulated by statute. Other jobs have recognised qualifications but these are trade associations/guilds etc which are private and not governed by statute. Accountants are not regulated by statute so shouldnt be included as protected professions.

Of course anyone who does a job for reward does so professionally so in that regard they are all professionals. But people still distinguish between protected professions where you are regulated by statute and trades which are not.

Earthhorse

Stoogie wrote: »

Professional tradesmen

Not in that context.

Yourself isit

blackvalley wrote: »

In today's Sunday independent I read an article that says " The number of professionals including architects , doctors , and solicitors who are struggling with their mortgages has soared this year .
My question is . What constitutes you as a " professional "
Is there some sort of snobbish up yourself element at play here where someone like plumbers , welder , plasterers or those who gets their hands dirty at work are not considered to be a professional . I am sure many in this category are also struggling with mortgages

This Irish definition of professional also excludes engineers and many other people with degrees, it's not just trade. Yes its moronic.

Fleawuss

No. Generally cnuts but that's it.

Mr_Muffin

Just another term for people to use in order to feed their ego and give them a sense of superiority.

ThisRegard

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

Just another term for people to use in order to feed their ego and give them a sense of superiority.

You do know that people who fall into the category didn't decide upon the name, they wouldn't have even been born when it was designated?

blackvalley

In the same vein of conversation there are those who received " remuneration " for their weeks work work and those who received a weeks wages .

milehip

Cowboys Ted, the're a bunch of fecking Cowboys!!!

johnnyskeleton

blackvalley wrote: »

In the same vein of conversation there are those who received " remuneration " for their weeks work work and those who received a weeks wages .

Ive never heard someone refer to their pay cheque as their remuneration. Are you mixing it up with the salary vs wage difference for mothly vs weekly payments?

Remuneration is more commonly used to describe the fact of money or monies worth being due for work or service rather than a specific payment.

gramar

These are the professionals....

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degsie

Yourself isit wrote: »

This Irish definition of professional also excludes engineers and many other people with degrees, it's not just trade. Yes its moronic.

Yet there are IT professionals

gramar

Let's not forget professional criminals. And footballers.

CalamariFritti

I want to be a professional, too. What is it anyway? :eek:

I'd say revolutions have probably been started over less.

livedadream

I always thought it was to do with taking professional exams. E.g. You can have a law degree but are not a solicitor you have to pass the professional exams to be allowed practice...

Peregrinus

Traditionally, there was a distinction made between "professions", where you had to publicly profess a commitment to certain standards and ethical values in order to be licensed to practice, and other occupations, where you merely needed to demonstrate the relevant practical skills. So doctors, lawyers, clergymen, etc had to make oaths or declarations, accept regulation by their colleagues, etc, whereas the craft guilds didn't require this; they just required you to demonstrate competence and experience.

For quite a while this distinction mapped onto a division between those professions which required, or were associated with, a university education, and those which were learned on the job, through an apprenticeship. Then in the 19th century you had the development of new occupations - e.g. engineer, architect - which required a good deal of specialist education, and that were self-regulating, and they tended to be bracketed with the established professions.

Nowadays "professional", as a term for an occupation, tends to refer to a white-collar occupation that requires a high degree of training, usually delivered in a university, plus competency testing and regulation of ethics and standards by the profession itself. An accountant is considered a professional in this sense, but an accounts clerk is not. A lawyer is, but a legal secretary is not. And so forth.

Dardania

possibly a simple distinguisher would be: mainly mental work versus mainly physical work?

fizzypish

Aren't you considered a professional if you get paid to do a job? i.e. A musician could be considered a professional if they get paid to do a gig? I don't know. I think in the modern age a professional is someone who has to undertake specialist training. Tradesmen, anyone working after higher education and *Insert job that will piss some off that I missed here*. For me I worked as a line worker in a multinational pharma company a few years ago. I don't think I was a professional. Now I work as an engineer. Still don't feel like a professional but by my own thinking above I suppose I am?!?!?

In the context the op is talking about its shorthand for...The middle class section of the squeezed middle are finding it difficult to pay their mortgages (some of them any way )

The independent is schizophrenic columnists who mock the middle class and middle class values combined with sycophantic articles that worship middle class values and interests.

AlekSmart

lc180 wrote: »

let me google that for you.....

A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity. The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession.

Indeed,and perhaps to INM's chagrin,the State now has involved itself in the "Professionalism" business.....

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Professional-Drivers/Driver-Hours/Getting-your-CPC/

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Professional-Drivers/Driver-Hours/Regulations/

Since 2008 ALL Bus & Truck drivers who use their Licence to earn money have been officially deemed "Professional",and are strictly regulated by the Road Safety Authority.

I look forward to an invite from the Honourable Benchers of the Kings Inn's to sit at the Top Table of their next Luncheon....

Tow

Jobs are officially divided into 3 categories:

• Managers, Professionals and Associate Professionals.
• Clerical, Sales and Service Workers.
• Production, Transport, Tradepersons and other manual workers.

There is a list of over 5,000 jobs from the CSO, see which of the 3 categories you fall into: http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/surveysandmethodologies/surveyforms/documents/earnings/exceldocs/list_of_occupations.xls