Coccidiosis in Cattle

DaDerv

I weaned the calves about 3 weeks to a month ago and in the last two weeks some developed a scour. They had gone back a lot so I dosed with Closamectin even though I knew it was a bit early. After a few days I decided to get a sample which showed up Rumen Fluke and Coccidiosis.

I dosed with Zanil and Vecoxan last Saturday on advice of the vet. I've seen no improvement. Cost €110 for a 1lt bottle from Agri Direct of Vecoxan and I dosed 7. I had to dose 3 more yesterday and today I have 6 that seem to have pneumonia. 3 of which had been dosed the previous week. Several continue to scour. Although they are eating nuts and silage.

Has anyone else had a similar issue? Is there any other treatment that you know is effective? Is Pneumonia a knock on effect? The weanlings look brutal at this stage. It's fairly rattled them. Would appreciate any advice. Thanks.

Mooooo

Get vet back out to them. If losing condition and still scouring they'll need fluids. Had one earlier in the summer and had to put fluids back in her for a week put electrolytes in it as well. The worst ones may benefit from a drip. Again see what vet says. Make sure they are eating

DaDerv

The problem is they nearly all have scour. I couldn't be dripping 25-30 weanlings? Bar the few that are OK! The dose itself costs a nice bit at 110e and thats in the clearance of AgriDirect. It's generally 150e I believe. They seem to be eating nuts and silage. Today was the first day I noticed the pneumonia. There was one visibly sick, wouldn't even eat nuts, but I pulled out 6 that were drawing slightly, 5 of them had temps. Wanted to separate them before that starts to spread through the sheds aswell.

Limestone Cowboy

Have nearly lost 2 weanlings and the bull over the last 3 years with it. Sulphur powders sorted it and they were gone into screws by the time it was diagnosed in all of them.

Mooooo

I guess treat the ones with pneumonia and perhaps ask vet to look at all of them again. bimastat, spl? I think may be handier than electrolytes maybe for the rest altho for bigger animals I dunno as usually used in young calves. Zanil can be tough on them or so I hear. Sorry can't be of more help. Had a batch of calves go right back here as well having been dosed well with a long acting dose and closamectin. Gave them a drench then but not much has come back from samples as gave them the drench first so thinking perhaps ivermectin resistance as calves go to same ground every year. It's sickening at how far back they can go in a short space of time

Base price

I think you need to get the vet out again. IMO this is a situation where CTC powder would be beneficial.
We prefer to use Bovicox more as a preventative in young calves but we have also dosed older animals with success.

DaDerv

Mooooo wrote: »

I guess treat the ones with pneumonia and perhaps ask vet to look at all of them again. bimastat, spl? I think may be handier than electrolytes maybe for the rest altho for bigger animals I dunno as usually used in young calves. Zanil can be tough on them or so I hear. Sorry can't be of more help. Had a batch of calves go right back here as well having been dosed well with a long acting dose and closamectin. Gave them a drench then but not much has come back from samples as gave them the drench first so thinking perhaps ivermectin resistance as calves go to same ground every year. It's sickening at how far back they can go in a short space of time

Yeah its frustrating. Things like this knock them back so much that you'll end up taking at least a month or two extra to finish them even in a years time. You'd alwasy know the ones that were sick. Its the third year in a row now. I've to look into some vaccinations, its costing a fortune at this stage. Didn't know that about Zanil. Maybe thats causing some of the problem. I've to call to the vet again tomorrow for some Nuflor and I'll ask what the story is with it again. Dount he'll have much more advice though than to wait it out. Youd get impatient looking at them like that.

DaDerv

Base price wrote: »

I think you need to get the vet out again. IMO this is a situation where CTC powder would be beneficial.
We prefer to use Bovicox more as a preventative in young calves but we have also dosed older animals with success.

I'd looked into CTC powder when they first started scouring but because there was no Pneumonia at the time i was told to take a sample to get a definite idea of what the problem was. Seeing as they have temps now and signs of Pneumonia I'll have to go at it anyway. Pity i didnt in the first place as it could have prevented it. Hindsight is great!

Might look into the Bovicox, just worried now after the Closamectin, Zanil and Vecoxan in close proximity that another dose wouldnt be a good idea but ill see what the Vet says. Cheers.

Base price

DaDerv wrote: »

I'd looked into CTC powder when they first started scouring but because there was no Pneumonia at the time i was told to take a sample to get a definite idea of what the problem was. Seeing as they have temps now and signs of Pneumonia I'll have to go at it anyway. Pity i didnt in the first place as it could have prevented it. Hindsight is great!

Might look into the Bovicox, just worried now after the Closamectin, Zanil and Vecoxan in close proximity that another dose wouldnt be a good idea but ill see what the Vet says. Cheers.

I should have explained better - CTC powder to help treat the problem that you now have with pneumonia. Bovicox for cocci.
I do not agree with people throwing CTC at animals prior to the onset of obvious symptoms.

Mooooo

DaDerv wrote: »

Yeah its frustrating. Things like this knock them back so much that you'll end up taking at least a month or two extra to finish them even in a years time. You'd alwasy know the ones that were sick. Its the third year in a row now. I've to look into some vaccinations, its costing a fortune at this stage. Didn't know that about Zanil. Maybe thats causing some of the problem. I've to call to the vet again tomorrow for some Nuflor and I'll ask what the story is with it again. Dount he'll have much more advice though than to wait it out. Youd get impatient looking at them like that.

I'd Say get the vet out to them rather than asking, he could bring the nuflor with him. Sulpha powders as mentioned above also is what our one got, I forgot to mention those.

Good loser

Definitely get the vet out. For that number of animals. If the coccid goes too far it will kill them. Divide the group into the three groups of illnesses.

whelan2

Zanil alone is very hard on them. They also got closamectin and vecoxan. Did the vet say to do them twice with vecoxan? Also if overdosed with the zanil it wouldn't help either.

RD10

ive a group a weanlings i dosed with zanil this weekend gone. the rest are to be done this weekend.
Noticed last night their all very loose. hopefully nothing will come of it.
let us know how you get on with vet.

DaDerv

Went to the Vet today. Apparently the scour is a knock on effect of the Rumen Fluke clearing out and not Coccidiosis. Its meant to be a common problem this year out our way at least. They will leave cysts or something on the lining which will cause the scour so its to be expected. Feeding them a bit of hay to helpo dry them out. A bit of time and it should pass. Hopefully thats the case.

Muckit

How long ago did you treat for the rumen fluke? Only reason l ask is I've one here that I treated for it this year. First case ever with it.

DaDerv

Muckit wrote: »

How long ago did you treat for the rumen fluke? Only reason l ask is I've one here that I treated for it this year. First case ever with it.

Dosed them on the 19th. I've never had it or at least not nearly as severe as this year. Was reading an article in the Connacht Tribune about it aswell they are giving a warning on it.

Good loser

Muckit wrote: »

How long ago did you treat for the rumen fluke? Only reason l ask is I've one here that I treated for it this year. First case ever with it.

How did you know it was just the one? Was it a new purchase?

Would it be better to treat them all?

Muckit

Good loser wrote: »

How did you know it was just the one? Was it a new purchase?

Would it be better to treat them all?

How did l know? A blind man would see it. This store was thriving all summer, then within a week, she melted before my eyes. I never seen an animal to go downhill so quick, l thought I'd be calling the knackery. I dosed for fluke and worms and after 2 weeks still no change. Got vet on the case and he gave me normodine antibiotic to kill any bad bacteria in the gut and he recommended to dose for rumen fluke, which I did.

She was an isolated case. No need to be treating animals that are thriving and showing no symptoms of ill thrift.