Telescopic or normal loader?

Morris Moss

Well folks, any help appreciated.

Basically looking for opinions on which is better. I'm looking at a jcb 310 or a volvo L35, being honest if the volvo was telescopic I think I'd go for it, also I'm not sure if the volvo would be great pushing up silage where as I know the jcb will easily. Also any other suggestions welcome.

blackdog1

Morris Moss wrote:

Basically looking for opinions on which is better. I'm looking at a jcb 310 or a volvo L35, being honest if the volvo was telescopic I think I'd go for it, also I'm not sure if the volvo would be great pushing up silage where as I know the jcb will easily. Also any other suggestions welcome.

If it's for general farming id say Telescopic. For alot of silage I'd say regular. Telescopic especially side boom are prone to turning over easily

Morris Moss

blackdog1 wrote: »

If it's for general farming id say Telescopic. For alot of silage I'd say regular. Telescopic especially side boom are prone to turning over easily

Only my own, so nothing major 90 or 100 acres.

Keepgrowing

We've just traded our 310 for a 320s. I can't speak highly enough of the Jcb 310. Pushes up silage from 2 and sometimes 3 large wagons at her ease. Brilliant to climb.

Having had an L50 years ago I'd go Volvo again in a heart beat, loader for life. Only reason for 310 is telescopic. One thing I done like is visibility form can to pallet toes.

3 the square

what about a 3cx compact without the backhoe and a weight block instead
ment to be a powerfully loader and very handy for yard work.

Keepgrowing

3 the square wrote: »

what about a 3cx compact without the backhoe and a weight block instead
ment to be a powerfully loader and very handy for yard work.

horrid for road work though

Morris Moss

3 the square wrote: »

what about a 3cx compact without the backhoe and a weight block instead
ment to be a powerfully loader and very handy for yard work.

Thought about 1 but don't think it'd be great in a tight shed, I'm leaning towards the volvo because to be honest the price of the jcbs is hard to justify.

Keepgrowing

Morris Moss wrote: »

Thought about 1 but don't think it'd be great in a tight shed, I'm leaning towards the volvo because to be honest the price of the jcbs is hard to justify.

Is there much of a difference in price ?

Morris Moss

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Is there much of a difference in price ?

Second hand jcb 2012 3000 hours 60 grand, volvo 2015 200 hours 51 grand, both excluding vat, now I know I could probably get a jcb for less than that but any half decent machine is well up in the money.

3 the square

Morris Moss wrote: »

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Is there much of a difference in price ?

Second hand jcb 2012 3000 hours 60 grand, volvo 2015 200 hours 51 grand, both excluding vat, now I know I could probably get a jcb for less than that but any half decent machine is well up in the money.

what model was that u priced for that money ?? sounds kindy pricey alright.

Morris Moss

3 the square wrote: »

what model was that u priced for that money ?? sounds kindy pricey alright.

It was a jcb tm310s, serious money alright, had a look at a kramer and a weidemann both about 60 - 65k new excluding vat,a bit out of my price range as well.

3 the square

Would a telehandler be a option something like a jcb 526 seems to be plenty of second hand ones around dont know much else about them.

Mf310

Morris Moss wrote:

It was a jcb tm310s, serious money alright, had a look at a kramer and a weidemann both about 60 - 65k new excluding vat,a bit out of my price range as well.

Look at it from a finance point of view aswell with that 60k you should get the loader at a much lower interest rate than the banks if you were buying second hand

Morris Moss

3 the square wrote: »

Would a telehandler be a option something like a jcb 526 seems to be plenty of second hand ones around dont know much else about them.

Don't think the visibility is great out of them, especially if ya have a few tight sheds like I do ha.

Morris Moss

Mf310 wrote: »

Look at it from a finance point of view aswell with that 60k you should get the loader at a much lower interest rate than the banks if you were buying second hand

Yeah I see your point and in reality if I was to spend that kind of money it would be on a new machine, I forgot to mention that neither of those machines comes with any implements so that's another cost as well as 15k for vat.

kevthegaff

Shuffler looks a nice machine for feeding, are caterpillar expensive?

Morris Moss

kevthegaff wrote: »

Shuffler looks a nice machine for feeding, are caterpillar expensive?

Never heard of a shuffler kev, never even thought of caterpillar, was having a look and they seem reasonable enough so I'll be having a closer look ha, not many in Ireland it seems though.

RightTurnClyde

Morris Moss wrote: »

Never heard of a shuffler kev, never even thought of caterpillar, was having a look and they seem reasonable enough so I'll be having a closer look ha, not many in Ireland it seems though.

Schuffler..... Schaffer maybe
Here is a comparison video of
Weidemann,Schaffer and Jcb
https://www.fginsight.com/vip/vip/on-test-video-watch-four-pivot-steer-telehandlers-go-head-to-head-10645

Had a German student here last year with a serious dose of diesel tick, but he was saying in German dairy yards weidemann would be by far the most popular, followed by Schaffer.
TFM are moving a few schaffers around here

freedominacup

Morris Moss wrote: »

Don't think the visibility is great out of them, especially if ya have a few tight sheds like I do ha.

Visibility not an issue after half a day.

Keepgrowing

Whatever you do and even if you get one for nothing don't buy a Manipoo. After 2010 they're absolute ball of shyte.

We were looking for a '14/15 Jcb and the prices were way over the top. I got a guy to source one I the UK. Hard to come by, he ended up sourcing a brand new one at 30% cheaper than the same machine here in Ireland. It's worth considering checking out the UK with sterling where it is.

Morris Moss

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Whatever you do and even if you get one for nothing don't buy a Manipoo. After 2010 they're absolute ball of shyte.

We were looking for a '14/15 Jcb and the prices were way over the top. I got a guy to source one I the UK. Hard to come by, he ended up sourcing a brand new one at 30% cheaper than the same machine here in Ireland. It's worth considering checking out the UK with sterling where it is.

Haha the neighbour has one and says it's a great machine.... although it'd want to be seeing as he's changed nearly every part in it.

Actually was talking to a fella who was going over today, I've asked him to keep an eye out for jcb or volvo some hopefully he'll have something for decent money.

Morris Moss

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Schuffler..... Schaffer maybe
Here is a comparison video of
Weidemann,Schaffer and Jcb
https://www.fginsight.com/vip/vip/on-test-video-watch-four-pivot-steer-telehandlers-go-head-to-head-10645

Had a German student here last year with a serious dose of diesel tick, but he was saying in German dairy yards weidemann would be by far the most popular, followed by Schaffer.
TFM are moving a few schaffers around here

Ah schaffer, yeah that must be it, they're all smashing looking machines, if only money was no object haha.

Waffletraktor

Schaffer/kramer/weideman few other german brands may be worth a look for. Jcb are the grand but not great of the loader world, slow to update.

Be very careful to check if your machine has the new safety shut off crap on the boom i know telescopics do but loading shovels/articulated loaders may be clear. This has led to lots of farms now going up to big 5ton plus lift loaders simply to carry on like a previous 3 ton could mucking out etc. Have a big claas(re badged kramer) but eats tyres for lunch due to the weight. Even michelin bibload tyres will only d0 3-4k hrs at very best.
Wouldnt be too gone on a loading shovel nowadays unless you are pushing up silage as a big telescopic will match them unless contractor sizes.

Morris Moss

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Schaffer/kramer/weideman few other german brands may be worth a look for. Jcb are the grand but not great of the loader world, slow to update.

Be very careful to check if your machine has the new safety shut off crap on the boom i know telescopics do but loading shovels/articulated loaders may be clear. This has led to lots of farms now going up to big 5ton plus lift loaders simply to carry on like a previous 3 ton could mucking out etc. Have a big claas(re badged kramer) but eats tyres for lunch due to the weight. Even michelin bibload tyres will only d0 3-4k hrs at very best.
Wouldnt be too gone on a loading shovel nowadays unless you are pushing up silage as a big telescopic will match them unless contractor sizes.

So are you saying I should go for the telescopic, it won't be doing anything too stressful, feeding animals, cleaning sheds and pushing up my own silage.

Waffletraktor

Morris Moss wrote: »

So are you saying I should go for the telescopic, it won't be doing anything too stressful, feeding animals, cleaning sheds and pushing up my own silage.

By the sounds you need to have a sit in some different machines for what you prefer. We are arable and a big telehandlers suits us over a loading shovel/tm320 type machine. Familiarity will cure a lot of the awkwardness you feel driving a new machine.
These come with a few issues these days with a safety valves that locks out you boom if sensors reckon it's going unstable on the rear. Not ideal for actually using it in real world but keeps mr. Safety jacket man happy. To get past this you need an extra ton of 2 lift to use it like you could before iykwim. I think the articulated telescopics don't have this. Tyres are also a high wear item with telescopics on concrete.
I would say jcb are the OK but lots of better brands out there brand. Slow to adapt new things like dumping hydraulic pressure on 3rd service by not turning off the machine and fiddling controls with the key on etc. Cooling fan blows onto the ground blasting dust everywhere, then engine proceeds to suck it all in the filter. The gearbox are rough and clunky as they age and require big repairs at 6/7k hours. Annoying pillar in your sight line working at height.

kevthegaff

Cat are the business, best machine the auld lad ever bought, built like tanks, parts are €€ tho. Not sure of their telescopic. Bros Manipoo still running well tho some little things needed replacing. Neighbour had jcb ' s and volvo through the years and engines were replaced. Maneurability of shauefer would be a big thing if I had the money!

MfMan

Anyone running the smaller JCBs - 520-40, 520-50 ? Thinking for a while of changing from the skiddie to one of these for increased reach (handy for covering pit), greater lifting capacity and better field maneuverability. Wouldn't be as compact as the bobcat, especially in tight spaces, but trade off might be worth it.

blackdog1

I have a 2002 monitou 526 with hydraulic boom and I love it. Great little perkins engine. The later models get alot of stick though. I had to replace the starter and a tracking rod with 3 years of use.( bought it 2nd hand)

Don't know if I'd buy one of the new models I didntv like the 2003 electric boom model. Think most machines are fairly good if you only have one driver. Biggest problem I see is people just slap them from forwards to backwards without stopping or clutching.

freedominacup

blackdog1 wrote: »

I have a 2002 monitou 526 with hydraulic boom and I love it. Great little perkins engine. The later models get alot of stick though. I had to replace the starter and a tracking rod with 3 years of use.( bought it 2nd hand)

Don't know if I'd buy one of the new models I didntv like the 2003 electric boom model. Think most machines are fairly good if you only have one driver. Biggest problem I see is people just slap them from forwards to backwards without stopping or clutching.

Brakes must be used for stopping or your mechanic gets a big payday. Not using brakes and flicking from forward to reverse is a bad habit and easy enough to cure. Once you start doing it correctly it becomes just as much of a habit.

kowtow

True, once you've wiped out everything you didn't spot in the morning.

stantheman1979

Weve a teloscopic Merlo. We traded two very old machines a manapoo and a JCB for her. Fabulous machine. Will turn on a sixpence, great view outta her and will carry two bales of silage at her ease, the boom suspension is a great job on her too makes it very comfortable on the road.

kevthegaff

stantheman1979 wrote:

Weve a teloscopic Merlo. We traded two very old machines a manapoo and a JCB for her. Fabulous machine. Will turn on a sixpence, great view outta her and will carry two bales of silage at her ease, the boom suspension is a great job on her too makes it very comfortable on the road.

Some of them have 3 pt linkage and pto, fair handy

visatorro

kevthegaff wrote: »

Some of them have 3 pt linkage and pto, fair handy

Remember looking at the video on YouTube. One pushing up silage, another drawing in with a wagon. Looks a good job for a one 'tractor' farm. But then you'd wonder why don't JCB or volvo do it. Wouldnt mind a test drive if I ever bought brand new. No merlo dealer around me and know nobody with one

Timmaay

visatorro wrote: »

Remember looking at the video on YouTube. One pushing up silage, another drawing in with a wagon. Looks a good job for a one 'tractor' farm. But then you'd wonder why don't JCB or volvo do it. Wouldnt mind a test drive if I ever bought brand new. No merlo dealer around me and know nobody with one

Think they are silly money also.

freedominacup

Timmaay wrote: »

Think they are silly money also.

I only ever operated the construction type of merlo. The manipoo construction models were pigs compared to jcb but streets ahead of the merlo. No opinion on the cost of owning either the merlo or manitou but next door neighbour replaced his '99 model manitou he had from new with another manitou this year. Did all of the loader work on a 300 acre mixed farm with 100 cows over that time incl pushing up silage most years. Jcb construction model here. 4 tonne lift but all of the climbing ability of a six inch block. That doesn't matter as she'll reach twenty feet across the highest silage pit with tyres from the ground.

Waffletraktor

freedominacup wrote: »

I only ever operated the construction type of merlo. The manipoo construction models were pigs compared to jcb but streets ahead of the merlo. No opinion on the cost of owning either the merlo or manitou but next door neighbour replaced his '99 model manitou he had from new with another manitou this year. Did all of the loader work on a 300 acre mixed farm with 100 cows over that time incl pushing up silage most years. Jcb construction model here. 4 tonne lift but all of the climbing ability of a six inch block. That doesn't matter as she'll reach twenty feet across the highest silage pit with tyres from the ground.

had you the 2 jacks on the front of your loader?
Most construction spec are too heavy to do any proper heavy pushing/pulling compared to the agri spec and 3 levers are a pia.

freedominacup

Waffletraktor wrote: »

had you the 2 jacks on the front of your loader?
Most construction spec are too heavy to do any proper heavy pushing/pulling compared to the agri spec and 3 levers are a pia.

Yes. 3 levers you get over. Only really used on shear grab and that's slow anyway. Pushing/pulling not a problem just silage work not a runner.

Mooooo

86 jcb 412 here over 18k hours on it and biggest spend was gearbox about 8 years ago. Neighbour had similar but upgraded to a 99 model. Very comfortable loader ideal for farm. Altho it's light compared to similar powered volvo. More wiring in modern machines alright but you are looking at newer ones so should be okay. Are the volvo and jcb you are looking at comparable in terms of power I thought a 310 would be similar to a L50 in terms of power?

Morris Moss

Mooooo wrote: »

86 jcb 412 here over 18k hours on it and biggest spend was gearbox about 8 years ago. Neighbour had similar but upgraded to a 99 model. Very comfortable loader ideal for farm. Altho it's light compared to similar powered volvo. More wiring in modern machines alright but you are looking at newer ones so should be okay. Are the volvo and jcb you are looking at comparable in terms of power I thought a 310 would be similar to a L50 in terms of power?

Yeah your right in terms of power the 310 is a good bit more powerful than the L35, it has at least 30 more hp but I don't think it'll make a huge difference, as I said before feeding silage, cleaning sheds and pushing up a bit of silage is mainly what I hope it'll be doing . I'd like to go a bit bigger to the L40 or 45 but I'm also limited in the size of machines in that I've a couple of tight entrances so can't be much wider than 8.5 ft and taller than 9ft.

Mooooo

Morris Moss wrote: »

Yeah your right in terms of power the 310 is a good bit more powerful than the L35, it has at least 30 more hp but I don't think it'll make a huge difference, as I said before feeding silage, cleaning sheds and pushing up a bit of silage is mainly what I hope it'll be doing . I'd like to go a bit bigger to the L40 or 45 but I'm also limited in the size of machines in that I've a couple of tight entrances so can't be much wider than 8.5 ft and taller than 9ft.

Yeah, lad I get straw off has switched to volvo from jcb but more to do with the extra weight of the volvo giving more ballast for lifting

Never wrestle with pigs

stantheman1979 wrote: »

Weve a teloscopic Merlo. We traded two very old machines a manapoo and a JCB for her. Fabulous machine. Will turn on a sixpence, great view outta her and will carry two bales of silage at her ease, the boom suspension is a great job on her too makes it very comfortable on the road.

Operated one for a while, 32.6 I think. One of the best loaders I ever operated. Nice and low for jumping in and out of the cab. Plenty of power. I don't think she would push up a pit but plenty for a farmer and a pig on the road. I think she done 76kmh on the road with Notting on the loader. Pick up hitch was very handy. Could bring the bale trailer and draw silage or straw bales quicker and more Comfert than a tractor loader.

Morris Moss

I thought I'd update this thread, ended up buying a weidemann 5080t, unbelievable machine to use, highly recommend anyone thinking of buying to have a look.

Panch18

Morris Moss wrote: »

I thought I'd update this thread, ended up buying a weidemann 5080t, unbelievable machine to use, highly recommend anyone thinking of buying to have a look.

Well wear

How's it going for you? What kind of work are ya doing with it? Did you buy from new?

We'll be changing one of the tractors this year and half thinking of going down the loader route

RightTurnClyde

Morris Moss wrote: »

I thought I'd update this thread, ended up buying a weidemann 5080t, unbelievable machine to use, highly recommend anyone thinking of buying to have a look.

Nice one, came very close to buying one in the North in December but went with a tractor instead. They're the most popular make on German farms so you aren't going too far wrong.
Well wear. Fire up a couple of pics.

Morris Moss

Panch18 wrote: »

Well wear

How's it going for you? What kind of work are ya doing with it? Did you buy from new?

We'll be changing one of the tractors this year and half thinking of going down the loader route

Only have it a couple of weeks, but so far so good. Feeding silage, cleaning sheds and yards and in summer pushing up silage as well. Ended up buying second hand, it's only 2 years old so very clean.

Well I'd definitely recommend the loader it's probably the handiest machine you could ever use.

Morris Moss

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Nice one, came very close to buying one in the North in December but went with a tractor instead. They're the most popular make on German farms so you aren't going too far wrong.
Well wear. Fire up a couple of pics.

Bought this in the north myself, serious value compared to here.

Keepgrowing

Morris Moss wrote: »

Bought this in the north myself, serious value compared to here.

Dead right, main importers are screwing us here. Bought a 171 Jcb 320s brand new from Wales, full warranty delivered to my yard for 30% less than ECI or KoB. Traded my own 10 Jcb 310 in that deal.

Great value to be got.

Morris Moss

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Dead right, main importers are screwing us here. Bought a 171 Jcb 320s brand new from Wales, full warranty delivered to my yard for 30% less than ECI or KoB. Traded my own 10 Jcb 310 in that deal.

Great value to be got.

Best of luck with it, I was quoted 20% more for a smaller machine that was a year older in the local dealers, they got some land when I told him about the price of the 1 I bought :pac:

MfMan

Morris Moss wrote: »

Bought this in the north myself, serious value compared to here.

What is the reach of that machine?

Morris Moss

5.8 meters is the reach fully extended.