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Beet

  • 21-11-2016 1:59pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭


    Anyone feeding beet to milking cows or finishing cattle and how do u find it? Would a free standing chopper or bucket chopper work better?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    Anyone feeding beet to milking cows or finishing cattle and how do u find it? Would a free standing chopper or bucket chopper work better?

    Not feeding anymore but used to use a lot of it. If you've a diet wagon the freestanding chopper is the job. If you're feeding on top of silage along a feed rail the bucket would do.

    They will fling silage everywhere to get the beet. If mixing chop small and mix it well. Be sure to get it pulled by an Armer as other machines will pick stones aswell.

    Another option is to get in a contractor with a washer chopper unit. Chop and wash all in one day and ensile with citrus, soya hulls or beet pulp. Anything that'll soak up the runoff. Mix at about 7:1 and cover as you would silage, can be fed anytime that way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Coolfresian


    Not feeding anymore but used to use a lot of it. If you've a diet wagon the freestanding chopper is the job. If you're feeding on top of silage along a feed rail the bucket would do.

    They will fling silage everywhere to get the beet. If mixing chop small and mix it well. Be sure to get it pulled by an Armer as other machines will pick stones aswell.


    Another option is to get in a contractor with a washer chopper unit. Chop and wash all in one day and ensile with citrus, soya hulls or beet pulp. Anything that'll soak up the runoff. Mix at about 7:1 and cover as you would silage, can be fed anytime that way

    Have a diet feeder so it will be going through that for the cows. Would be using around 20 tonne a week so probably the free standing one will work well. If u don't mind me asking did u find the performance from the cows improved or that u saved much silage? Would u use it again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    Have a diet feeder so it will be going through that for the cows. Would be using around 20 tonne a week so probably the free standing one will work well. If u don't mind me asking did u find the performance from the cows improved or that u saved much silage? Would u use it again?

    Saves precious little silage unless you go to large volumes but boy will they perform, it's like a switch. If I was considering and second forage it would be my first choice. Fed some in March this year as good quality bales were scarce and it's easily gotten around here. We don't have a wagon anymore but if using again I'd deffo be buying washed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Coolfresian


    Saves precious little silage unless you go to large volumes but boy will they perform, it's like a switch. If I was considering and second forage it would be my first choice. Fed some in March this year as good quality bales were scarce and it's easily gotten around here. We don't have a wagon anymore but if using again I'd deffo be buying washed

    Thanks for that, plenty available around here too so will be using as much as is reasonable in the diet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭simx


    Always a little short in silage, have 14ac available to me to take for first cut this grass would be costing me €28/t in pit of yielding 8.5t/ac
    Can buy washed sugar beet delivered into yard @ €42/t

    Would I be mad to choose the beet over silage, the silage quality I couldn't comment on as there's loads of ifs and buts regarding weather when cutting etc well just say 67dmd for talks sake


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Thanks for that, plenty available around here too so will be using as much as is reasonable in the diet.

    You'd also want to introduce it gradually to get them used to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    You'd also want to introduce it gradually to get them used to it.

    As well as reducing gradually when taking them off of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭farmersfriend


    We feed beet to cows here, great stuff and they go mad for it. Have a trailed washer chopper and feed on top of silage at feed rail. Minute they hear tractor starting they are lining up!
    Had a couple of culls on an outfarm last summer, was driving past with the tractor we use with the feeder, next thing one of them recognized the tractor and galloped across the field like a mad thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 607 ✭✭✭larthehar


    What about finishing cattle? Won't have enough barley to see out the winter with keeping stores, considering beet. Is it a good for thrive vs barley?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭primary 2


    feed it here to finishing cattle and a bit to store cattle as well,as soon as they hear the tractor starting that chops the beet they are all up waiting,i also know a dairy farmer that uses it in the spring time when the cows calf and are still in the shed and he says he gets great results out of it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭Conor556


    Would beet be any good to feed to weanlings and if I do should they get a balancer with it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    When ye are feeding make sure the gates in the pens are good and strong and stand well back they'd blow ya clean out of it for it. Used to feed here to milkers and even in tmr well chopped with ration thru the silage as well they'd still go rooting for the beet


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭GERMAN ROCKS


    can you feed beet by strip grazing it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    can you feed beet by strip grazing it?

    You can but it would want to be low dry mater beet as most of the root grows out of the ground. You'd also want good dry land for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    You can but it would want to be low dry mater beet as most of the root grows out of the ground. You'd also want good dry land for it.

    Can be issues with older cows loosing teeth too. Neighbour is doing it here for 5 years and problems are starting to arise with some older ladies


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Can be issues with older cows loosing teeth too. Neighbour is doing it here for 5 years and problems are starting to arise with some older ladies

    Toothpaste for cows.......... now there's a business idea.:cool:

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    greysides wrote: »
    Toothpaste for cows.......... now there's a business idea.:cool:

    Just like Queen Elizabeth I.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    simx wrote: »
    Always a little short in silage, have 14ac available to me to take for first cut this grass would be costing me €28/t in pit of yielding 8.5t/ac
    Can buy washed sugar beet delivered into yard @ €42/t

    Would I be mad to choose the beet over silage, the silage quality I couldn't comment on as there's loads of ifs and buts regarding weather when cutting etc well just say 67dmd for talks sake

    Against that quality silage the beet wins every way you can look at it at those prices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    greysides wrote: »
    Toothpaste for cows.......... now there's a business idea.:cool:
    False teeth ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭pat73


    What is the difference between all the different types of beet.I was thinking of feeding some to my stock as i don't think il have enough of silage.Its mainly beef i have.I see adds on donedeal for sugar,cagnote , magnum fodder beet.What is the difference,which is the best for beef cattle.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭WexfordFarmer


    Howya's all today
    Was thinking there last night after I was over at a neighbouring farm drawing beet for them and was wondering is there any money in growing beet and selling it I would be selling it at €25 a tonne and if there was a market maybe up it to €30 ?as I have 30 acres spare with no stones in the land all destoned few years ago .Would be able to spend a few bob on a beet Hartvester and Washer/chopper and beet loader,even if there was no market it would still benefit us for our cattle and sheep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭DMAXMAN


    pat73 wrote: »
    What is the difference between all the different types of beet.I was thinking of feeding some to my stock as i don't think il have enough of silage.Its mainly beef i have.I see adds on donedeal for sugar,cagnote , magnum fodder beet.What is the difference,which is the best for beef cattle.
    magnum is a white fodder beet,looks like sugarbeet.lower in dry matter hence lower in feeding. personally i would not feed anything other than sugar beet they can get a drink any time. needs to be balanced for protein and minerals too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Wexford, suggest you do a tie up with a few farmers, dairy or finishing cattle before you plough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭foxer3640


    You'll lose a lot of money at 25 Euro. If you can't get 40 euro per ton delivered over the road forget about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭foxer3640


    You'll lose a lot of money at 25 Euro. If you can't get 40 euro per ton delivered over the road forget about it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭WexfordFarmer


    Yes well a neighbour over the road is selling it for 30 a ton and sells a good bit of it too and grows about 200 acres of it and he's not a bit cheap but says there's good business for it if it's going cheap??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Yes well a neighbour over the road is selling it for 30 a ton and sells a good bit of it too and grows about 200 acres of it and he's not a bit cheap but says there's good business for it if it's going cheap??

    Define good business, making good profit or lots of marginal turn over.
    There's a guy near Pedigree6 who grows alot also, my friend gets it delivered in south kilkenny for 40-washed + delivery on top over the weighbridge. Has a big customer base built up now growing to order though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭foxer3640


    Yes well a neighbour over the road is selling it for 30 a ton and sells a good bit of it too and grows about 200 acres of it and he's not a bit cheap but says there's good business for it if it's going cheap??

    If you're neighbour is happy working for nothing more power to him. He's probably happy growing barley too if he's that type.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    A Fastrac is essential for the job.:D
    Better still buy an artic for the long draws.;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    A Fastrac is essential for the job.:D
    Better still buy an artic for the long draws.;)

    No shortage of bulkers looking for work this time of year though either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭noworries2004


    Feeding Sugar beet  to Stores at the moment with some rolled barley and silage. 
    Should i be feeding an additive/balancer with the sugar beet for the stores that i will be finishing off in April for maximum affect?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Feeding Sugar beet  to Stores at the moment with some rolled barley and silage. 
    Should i be feeding an additive/balancer with the sugar beet for the stores that i will be finishing off in April for maximum affect?

    You are short of protein for definite and beet is very low in minerals. How much the lack of protein will affect performance I'm not sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    As freedom says you are short protein, phosphorus and calcium. This link should give you the info you need.

    https://www.teagasc.ie/animals/dairy/nutrition/supplementation/sugar-beet-feed/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭noworries2004


    Perfect thats exactly what I needed 
    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Was thinking of feeding some at 45 euro washed and delivered, is it worth it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭alps


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Was thinking of feeding some at 45 euro washed and delivered, is it worth it?

    Sugar or fodder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    alps wrote: »
    Sugar or fodder?
    Jaysus never asked!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Jaysus never asked!

    More than likely fodder ...big difference between suger and fodder


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    What's it like for milking cows?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    What's it like for milking cows?

    I hear it's supposed to be great stuff ...ask it in dairy chitchat there


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Just don’t feed it to dry cows. Calcium levels are too high


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    Just don’t feed it to dry cows. Calcium levels are too high

    Beet isn’t high in calcium is it?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    To keep figures simple ill use 10 ton fodderbeet
    10 ton x 45 euro = 450 euro
    10 ton is 1.7 tons dry matter
    450÷1.7 =,264 euro a ton dm
    Ration is roughly 300 euro ton dm at the moment.


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