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C2 & C3 Numbers

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    Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭ C3POPO


    To pass some time, I grabbed some of the numbers from the recent FoI requests. Numbers in brackets refer to the source FoI document listed at the bottom.

    From FoIs:

    a) Number of candidates that scored 75 and above: 47 (1)
    b) Number of candidates that scored 72 and above: 90 (2)
    c) Number of candidates that scored 62 and above: 446 (3)
    d) Number of candidates that received progression letters (scored 60.5 and above): 515 (3)

    Note: as of the date of the FoI request, 4 people in b) above have failed their PCA, but I am not sure if this is total fail or just the first attempt so I have left them in.

    Therefore:

    75 and above 47
    72 to 74 43
    62 to 71 356
    60.5 to 61 69
    Total 515

    There are also 35 candidates from 1405 (4)

    Candidates appointed from 1405 to date: 431 (4) - this is just interesting as it is more than they originally said they would take.

    **************

    !! So, the above are all facts from the information provided in the FoIs, here is where the speculation and dodgy maths starts! Please do not take the following as fact as there are way too many assumptions to make this accurate, but I think it is interesting anyway and might be useful !!


    Assuming an intake of 51 people (1) and that everybody passes all stages and accepts their place:

    Intake 1 35 from 1405 and first 16 from 75+
    Intake 2 Next 31 from 75+ and 20 from 72 to 74
    Intake 3 Next 23 from 72 to 74 and 28 from 62 to 71
    Intake 4 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 5 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 6 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 7 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 8 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 9 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 10 Last 22 from 62 to 71 and first 29 from 60.5 to 61

    1405 35 people in Intake 1
    75+ 47 people, either in Intake 1 or 2
    72 to 74 43 people, either in Intake 2 or 3

    Not everybody will pass all stages and some of the 1405 people could also be in the 1509 numbers, but I don't know how to account for this!

    Also, it is rare that they get full numbers for each intake, but I am assuming that they offer places to the full number and then people pull out after induction day so they can't replace the person. They could have people pulling out once they get the call and replaced with the next person on the list, this cannot be quantified, but it will affect the numbers. It means that the actual intake will be before the one listed above ie Intake 10 for the 60.5 to 61 group could be Intake 8 or 9 depending on how many pull out or fail one of the stages.


    1) https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/362301/response/885182/attach/html/3/F%202016%2001470%20FOI%20Response.pdf.html

    2) https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/355374/response/875690/attach/html/3/01130%20Final%20Response.pdf.html

    3) https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/355634/response/872081/attach/html/3/F%202016%2001157%20FOI%20Response.pdf.html

    4) https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/355550/response/875635/attach/html/3/01150%20Final%20Response.pdf.html[/size][/SIZE]


Comments



  • How many intakes were there after the 1509 AC's were completed? There could be dozens who done the AC again this year but were then offered places from their 1405 campaign.

    Way more than 4 people will also fail the PCA.




  • C3POPO wrote: »
    To pass some time, I grabbed some of the numbers from the recent FoI requests. Numbers in brackets refer to the source FoI document listed at the bottom.

    From FoIs:

    a) Number of candidates that scored 75 and above: 47 (1)
    b) Number of candidates that scored 72 and above: 90 (2)
    c) Number of candidates that scored 62 and above: 446 (3)
    d) Number of candidates that received progression letters (scored 60.5 and above): 515 (3)

    Note: as of the date of the FoI request, 4 people in b) above have failed their PCA, but I am not sure if this is total fail or just the first attempt so I have left them in.

    Therefore:

    75 and above 47
    72 to 74 43
    62 to 71 356
    60.5 to 61 69
    Total 515

    There are also 35 candidates from 1405 (4)

    Candidates appointed from 1405 to date: 431 (4) - this is just interesting as it is more than they originally said they would take.

    **************

    !! So, the above are all facts from the information provided in the FoIs, here is where the speculation and dodgy maths starts! Please do not take the following as fact as there are way too many assumptions to make this accurate, but I think it is interesting anyway and might be useful !!


    Assuming an intake of 51 people (1) and that everybody passes all stages and accepts their place:

    Intake 1 35 from 1405 and first 16 from 75+
    Intake 2 Next 31 from 75+ and 20 from 72 to 74
    Intake 3 Next 23 from 72 to 74 and 28 from 62 to 71
    Intake 4 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 5 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 6 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 7 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 8 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 9 Next 51 from 62 to 71
    Intake 10 Last 22 from 62 to 71 and first 29 from 60.5 to 61

    1405 35 people in Intake 1
    75+ 47 people, either in Intake 1 or 2
    72 to 74 43 people, either in Intake 2 or 3

    Not everybody will pass all stages and some of the 1405 people could also be in the 1509 numbers, but I don't know how to account for this!

    Also, it is rare that they get full numbers for each intake, but I am assuming that they offer places to the full number and then people pull out after induction day so they can't replace the person. They could have people pulling out once they get the call and replaced with the next person on the list, this cannot be quantified, but it will affect the numbers. It means that the actual intake will be before the one listed above ie Intake 10 for the 60.5 to 61 group could be Intake 8 or 9 depending on how many pull out or fail one of the stages.


    1) https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/362301/response/885182/attach/html/3/F%202016%2001470%20FOI%20Response.pdf.html

    2) https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/355374/response/875690/attach/html/3/01130%20Final%20Response.pdf.html

    3) https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/355634/response/872081/attach/html/3/F%202016%2001157%20FOI%20Response.pdf.html

    4) https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/355550/response/875635/attach/html/3/01150%20Final%20Response.pdf.html[/size][/SIZE]
    Good bit of homework C3POPO!!! A* :)




  • Brilliant C3p0p0!

    Been meaning to try and work this out myself and just never got round to attempting it. I think it's very helpful thank you! I'm in the high 60s and was expecting around 3rd or 4th intake.
    Hopefully won't be long before we hear of the first intake calls!

    Great info and great help! Thank again!




  • Looks like it took a bit of time to prepare that. Well done. Great info!




  • I submitted an foi a few weeks ago and received a reply last week. Basically asking how many remained on the merit list and of those how many had scores of 60% or more (my own score is 60%).

    The reply i got stated that 752 remained on the merit list and of those 427 had scores of 60 or more.

    I would assume that quite a few of those from 1509 that have been taken off the list have been put through in 1405 and some have simply dropped out.

    Hopefully this means that most of you will get calls early and the rest of us will get put through the remaining stages soon.

    Ive been following this forum for a while but this is my first post.


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  • What intake do you guys/gals think mid 60's could be taken?




  • Pumba91 wrote: »
    I submitted an foi a few weeks ago and received a reply last week. Basically asking how many remained on the merit list and of those how many had scores of 60% or more (my own score is 60%).

    The reply i got stated that 752 remained on the merit list and of those 427 had scores of 60 or more.

    I would assume that quite a few of those from 1509 that have been taken off the list have been put through in 1405 and some have simply dropped out.

    Hopefully this means that most of you will get calls early and the rest of us will get put through the remaining stages soon.

    Ive been following this forum for a while but this is my first post.
    Very interesting Pumba91, thanks for sharing. That means that out of the 515 that were 60.5 and above from the previous FoIs, 88 have dropped out (515-427) although there could be a number of people that were on 60% like yourself - this is where the maths gets messed up again, with unknowns (people between 60 and 60.5)!
    Based on your FoI numbers there are 325 people with scores >=55 and <60 (752-427=325).
    How many intakes were there after the 1509 AC's were completed? There could be dozens who done the AC again this year but were then offered places from their 1405 campaign.

    Way more than 4 people will also fail the PCA.

    Good points shanevendrell! :)




  • Pumba91 wrote: »
    Ive been following this forum for a while but this is my first post.
    Always nice to see a lurker join in the conversation. Welcome!! :):)

    Have a read of the Personal Security thread: https://www.boards.ie/b/thread/2057501905




  • That's a helluva first post pumba!!

    Welcome aboard :)

    If 903 passed the 1509 AC and there are 752 on the merit list, where has the other 153 gone?
    In GV via 1405, PCA fails??




  • Surely a mixture of voluntary withdrawals, 1405 folks who got in in the last few intakes and PCA/vetting/medical fails.

    I'm sure I read that during he 1309 campaign 1 in 4 failed at the PCA stage. I'm sure it would be a lot less than this though with the removal of the push pull, but does anyone know what the failure rate roughly was throughout 1405?


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