Planning permission - in principle

obi604

Hi,

I'm new to all this.
I'm not sure on how much the planning permission process costs, but I think before you even apply that you have to have engaged an architect and drawn up drawings etc.

Q1. How much does the planning permission and work associated with planning permission roughly cost ?

Q2. Is it possible to get planning permission approved in principle ? I.e. To try and get some sort of approval before proceeding. Last thing I want to do is spend thousands of Euro and then for it all to be rejected.

sydthebeat

Planning permission for what? A house?

It is possible to get "outline planning permission" which is permission in principle.

Costs really depend on where, size, site conditions and who you use.

obi604

sydthebeat wrote: »

Planning permission for what? A house?

It is possible to get "outline planning permission" which is permission in principle.

Costs really depend on where, size, site conditions and who you use.

Hi.

Its for a standard house, yeah.

Ball park though, how much would it cost to get the planning permission full approved for a 2,000 sq foot house? (5,000, 15,000 etc)

And then how much would it cost to get the outline planning permission ?

sydthebeat

again, the costs are dependent on many factors.

full permission for a 2000 sq ft house could cost anything from 3000 (basic design, including fees) to 20k (high level architectural design)

in my opinion and experience, an outline permission could cost in the region of 50-70% of the overall fee
ie at a fee of €3000 the house plans might just be costing circa €500 if its a very basic design
whereas if its a high level design the plans could cost around 50% of the fee

obi604

sydthebeat wrote: »

again, the costs are dependent on many factors.

full permission for a 2000 sq ft house could cost anything from 3000 (basic design, including fees) to 20k (high level architectural design)

in my opinion and experience, an outline permission could cost in the region of 50-70% of the overall fee
ie at a fee of €3000 the house plans might just be costing circa €500 if its a very basic design
whereas if its a high level design the plans could cost around 50% of the fee

Thanks.

Feck, so its saucy enough.

I suppose where im coming from is that I could spend thousands of Euro trying to get planning permission...............and at the of the day, there is no guarantee I will get it.

Therefore that could be 1000's down the drain if the planning permission does not get approved.

JimmyMW

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks.

Feck, so its saucy enough.

I suppose where im coming from is that I could spend thousands of Euro trying to get planning permission...............and at the of the day, there is no guarantee I will get it.

Therefore that could be 1000's down the drain if the planning permission does not get approved.

You can do the outline planning yourself if you follow the guidelines on the councils website, it may take you a few weeks of evenings to put it together but it should be no problem as you only require the maps with the boundary marked etc and fill out the forms, newspaper ad etc, generally no drawings are needed, unless they request sight lines or something of that nature. You are only being approved for a dwelling as an applicant for a particular site, no more, house design will follow in your full planning application if you wish to proceed.

However, if the site you are looking at has restrictions in terms of zoning ie Local Needs, and you do not comply, don't bother wasting your time or money putting together an application.

kieran.

JimmyMW wrote: »

You can do the outline planning yourself if you follow the guidelines on the councils website, it may take you a few weeks of evenings to put it together but it should be no problem as you only require the maps with the boundary marked etc and fill out the forms, newspaper ad etc, generally no drawings are needed, unless they request sight lines or something of that nature. You are only being approved for a dwelling as an applicant for a particular site, no more, house design will follow in your full planning application if you wish to proceed.

However, if the site you are looking at has restrictions in terms of zoning ie Local Needs, and you do not comply, don't bother wasting your time or money putting together an application.

Outline permission is a full planning application minus the house design.....site tests, landscape design, SUDS design, entrance design,wayleaves etc are all required in my experience.

degetme

going for full planning for 2000 sqf house plus garage. 3400 all in plus cost of digging trail holes. no permission got yet.

obi604

degetme wrote: »

going for full planning for 2000 sqf house plus garage. 3400 all in plus cost of digging trail holes. no permission got yet.

Thanks. Let's say the planning permission was not granted. Does that mean that you essentially lost 3400 Euro ?

Or can some of this be claimed back if it's not granted ?

Reati

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks. Let's say the planning permission was not granted. Does that mean that you essentially lost 3400 Euro ?

Or can some of this be claimed back if it's not granted ?

It's spent. Can't see how you'd get t back.

Where are you looking to get planning, what county? countyside town etc. More details will help.

degetme

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks. Let's say the planning permission was not granted. Does that mean that you essentially lost 3400 Euro ?

Or can some of this be claimed back if it's not granted ?

if not granted ya I would lose out. hopefully it wont come to that. I'm farming so I've local needs. it fits the criteria. I suggest you go for a pre planning meeting. before that ring around a few local architects or engineers that do planning permissions and see what's there opinion on your case

obi604

degetme wrote: »

if not granted ya I would lose out. hopefully it wont come to that. I'm farming so I've local needs. it fits the criteria. I suggest you go for a pre planning meeting. before that ring around a few local architects or engineers that do planning permissions and see what's there opinion on your case

Thanks. So you spent 3400.

Did you save any money by doing stuff yourself ?

Gumbo

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks. So you spent 3400.

Did you save any money by doing stuff yourself ?

There's nowhere to save money yourself really.
As someone that lodges planning applications I would not allow a client do some of the work, as if the application gets invalidated over something the client done, then it's back to relodge again, new drawings printed, new newspaper notice, new site notice and the associated admin costs with that.

The invalidation can happen within the first few weeks of an applications, so well before a decision is even made, in fact, well before a planner actually sees the application.

sydthebeat

You need to do your homework to figure out what the likelihood of permission is.

A 30 minute chat with any local "planning agent" (that could be an engineer, architect, technician, planning consultant etc) will clear things up quite a bit for you.

Doing it yourself means you don't have the advantage of years of experience.

Gumbo

sydthebeat wrote: »

You need to do your homework to figure out what the likelihood of permission is.

A 30 minute chat with any local "planning agent" (that could be an engineer, architect, technician, planning consultant etc) will clear things up quite a bit for you.

Doing it yourself means you don't have the advantage of years of experience.

+1

Was speaking to a guy in Dublin City the other day. He was losing planning for a new driveway. He told me he wasn't paying an architect or similar for something he could himself, he checked all the similar applications online and said "I'll do this meself, it's only a few drawings".

First application was invalidated as he left it too long to lodge after the newspaper notice was published, the second application was invalidated because the wording on the site notice didn't match the newspaper notice and in turn didn't match the application form correctly. I was speaking to him as he was losing the third and I asked him, where's your OSi Map outline and site notice locations markings? He looked at me as if I had 2 heads.

The third app would have been invalidated again but I got him through that part. I didn't check anything else for him so hopefully he had the rest correct.

Morale of the storey, he paid for 3 newspaper ads, 3 sets of prints, site notice etc and the total outlay was more than a local tech charges to do the full works!

degetme

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks. So you spent 3400.

Did you save any money by doing stuff yourself ?

No