Japan fixes vast Fukuoka City sinkhole in two days

Dr Crayfish

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/15/japan-fixes-vast-fukuoka-city-sinkhole-repaired-two-days

Wow. When you look around Dublin City Centre now and it looks like one giant sinkhole, it's amazing what you can do with efficiency and hard work. Why does everything take so long in Ireland?

Allinall

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/15/japan-fixes-vast-fukuoka-city-sinkhole-repaired-two-days

Wow. When you look around Dublin City Centre now and it looks like one giant sinkhole, it's amazing what you can do with efficiency and hard work. Why does everything take so long in Ireland?

Whereabouts in Dublin exactly?

I'm heading into town later and don't want to fall in.

Thanks.

artanevilla

The Japanese don't fúck about, that's why.

jester77

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/15/japan-fixes-vast-fukuoka-city-sinkhole-repaired-two-days

Wow. When you look around Dublin City Centre now and it looks like one giant sinkhole, it's amazing what you can do with efficiency and hard work. Why does everything take so long in Ireland?

Well, you first have to check with your union to see if filling a hole this big is part of your job description.

andekwarhola

Hiroshima was destroyed in 1945 by a 4000 kg atomic bomb.

Why can't we stop fare evaders on the Luas?

4068ac1elhodqr

Tell 'em to fix Fukushima. It's been 5yrs.

But to be fair, the chaps at Chernobyl are only now getting a shield dropped on the 1986 disaster.

Winterlong

I would not be holding Japanese work practices up as a shining light. But it is impressive that they filled that hole in so fast.

4068ac1elhodqr

Winterlong wrote: »

I would not be holding Japanese work practices up as a shining light.

Sure didn't they deploy Kaizen (改善) 'continuous lean improvement' after WW2 to produce hi-quality products. Where possible I'd tend towards Jap' made goods, whether cars, guitars, cameras and most other white & consumer goods. Great bunch of lads.

drdeadlift

They must have pretty good project managers.

wawaman

maybe if they had built it right in the first place the sinkhole wouldn't have appeared!

_Brian

Shows how fuucked up our expectations of service are when all we can do when we see proper workmanship is make fun of it.

Well done us !

Allinall

_Brian wrote: »

Shows how fuucked up our expectations of service are when all we can do when we see proper workmanship is make fun of it.

Well done us !

Is that the before or after photo you're referring to?

Atlantic Dawn

If it happened here there would have to be first a 2 month survey to see if any wildlife would be impacted by fixing it.

diomed

Would they not stop and lean on a shovel, or gather around and look into the hole for a while?

westcoast66

I met two council workers last week. One was digging holes while the other was filling them in. They told me that their colleague who plants the trees in the holes was off sick....

diomed

Did they not find some Viking artefacts in the hole?

nullzero

Winterlong wrote: »

I would not be holding Japanese work practices up as a shining light. But it is impressive that they filled that hole in so fast.

Knife goes in, guts come out that's what Osaka seafood concern is all about.

Royal Irish

The Japanese are well known for being a very hard working people and even going as far as working themselves to death which is known as Karoshi.

Interesting article about it here.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/japanese-employees-working-themselves-to-death-1.2859466

suicide_circus

The Japanese are largely an efficient and industrious people. The Irish are not.

Avatar MIA

suicide_circus wrote: »

The Japanese are largely an efficient and industrious people. The Irish are not.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/productivity

This tells a different tale, with Ireland higher than the Japanese.

Not sure if the statistics are hugely comparable, but to say the Irish are somehow stand out inefficient and not industrious is BS.

But, some people gotta rant.

Winterlong

suicide_circus wrote: »

The Japanese are largely an efficient and industrious people. The Irish are not.

I worked in Tokyo with a large electronic brand for a couple of months in 2014. From what I saw they definitely are not efficient. Hardworking - yes.

The have good productivity rates when it comes to manufacturing existing products.
But it takes them too long to do anything that is not documented in a nice neat process.

GreenFolder2

Yeah, they're great until you start sniffing around what they were (or weren't) doing in their nuclear industry over the years.
Fukushima should never have happened.

Cee-Jay-Cee

jester77 wrote: »

Well, you first have to check with your union to see if filling a hole this big is part of your job description.

Then the government would set up a working group to draw up a report on the work required. That would take 6 months. Then the OPW would have a second report drawn up with details of the work required. It would then go to tender stage which is another 3 months. The contract would be awarded to a company from Russia or Hungary who would then take 3 months to complete the job at huge expense. The work would be halted several times due to injunctions from concerned nature lovers that the rat faced vole which resides near the sink hole is endangered and additional works would have to be carried out to ensure their safety. Work would finally be completed 18 months behind schedule. The day after the road was re-opened, some company would apply for permission to dig up the street in order to lay fibre optic cable for a new internet company. The application would be granted with objection.

GreenFolder2

To be fair, that's not actually true. Most things here in terms of road works are extremely efficient compared to what I witness on the continent all the time. A lot of major and disruptive roadworks are done at night here for example. NRA road works always seem efficient and well managed.

As a little anecdote showing how we're not actually inefficient : I rang Cork City Council about a pot hole. They sent me a report immediately with an incident number.
The pothole was filled the following day.

We're very quick to slag ourselves off though! That's for sure.

You can also do anything if you throw virtually limitless money at it to get it done in a country of 127 million people who occupy quite a small area along the coast and can't be held up with a big sink hole blocking a key route. Ireland has a tendency to penny pinch and make county and city councils struggle for cash.

Fratton Fred

That's impressive. We'd still be deciding which minister was going to create a quango to deal with it.

vicwatson

It's the "work through the night" bit that's messed up our efficiency !!

Summer wind

It's because the people that run our country couldn't find their own arse holes with both hands.

Goya

"Please don't tell the supervisor I have the flu."
"I've been working with a shattered pelvis for three weeks."

A Battered Mars Bar

How long did it take to fix the tiny sinkhole in tramore? For comparison...

vicwatson

A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

How long did it take to fix the tiny sinkhole in tramore? For comparison...

Have they even fixed it?

Sgt Pepper 64

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/15/japan-fixes-vast-fukuoka-city-sinkhole-repaired-two-days

Wow. When you look around Dublin City Centre now and it looks like one giant sinkhole, it's amazing what you can do with efficiency and hard work. Why does everything take so long in Ireland?

Rome wasn't built in a day ya know!

A Battered Mars Bar

vicwatson wrote: »

Have they even fixed it?

I dont know lol it was 2014 :pac:

fly_agaric

Winterlong wrote: »

But it takes them too long to do anything that is not documented in a nice neat process.

Yes, but (stereotyping warning) they probably will document stuff as a nice neat logical process to be followed to the letter.

The "Irish" attitude is probably who needs all the timewasting jobsworth crap when sure t'is all common sense! It will be grand and we can bullshít and brazen our way out of it when it goes wrong, the Irish blás and gift of the gab! Such attitudes don't work well when trying to organise anything complex.

GreenFolder2

The Irish attitude seems to largely for one half of the country to depressively navel gaze, self flagellate and then conclude the country's useless. Meanwhile the other half of the country has got the road finished and is busy actually earning the money that pays for all the fecking navel gazers.

wakka12

We should call them to make the luas for us