Verbal agreement of a bonus

jezzer

folks, just say the owner of the company i work for promised me a bonus payment if i handled something internally and boxed it off and did a good job on something that could have been a potential issue. The bonus agreement was just a verbal agreement between me and him and if i was leaving the company decided to cash in on this bonus but the owner turned around and said nope, i never promised you that....where do i stand in terms of getting what i was promised?

gandalf

You stand no chance I'm afraid. If it wasn't down on paper then its vapourware. Use it as a learning experience and move on!

jezzer

gandalf wrote: »

You stand no chance I'm afraid. If it wasn't down on paper then its vapourware. Use it as a learning experience and move on!

Is there any way I could at least argue my case?

Edups

jezzer wrote: »

Is there any way I could at least argue my case?

Yes

Prove he said it

jezzer

Edups wrote: »

Yes

Prove he said it

i have no way, its his word against mine but he has a reputation for being a liar

duffman13

jezzer wrote: »

i have no way, its his word against mine but he has a reputation for being a liar

Unfortunately you've no way to prove he made the promise. Always have an email or some written record of any agreements otherwise your pissing into the wind I'm afraid.

frag420

Maybe send him an email asking him was he not happy with your persormance or the outcome of the project he had you complete and is that the reason he won't give bonus? If he replies giving any reason then you have him....

It's a long shot I know and all down to how you word it.

jezzer

frag420 wrote: »

Maybe send him an email asking him was he not happy with your persormance or the outcome of the project he had you complete and is that the reason he won't give bonus? If he replies giving any reason then you have him....

It's a long shot I know and all down to how you word it.

good call, i will try that, cheers

livedadream

jezzer wrote: »

Edups wrote: »

Yes

Prove he said it

i have no way, its his word against mine but he has a reputation for being a liar

if he has a reputation for being a liar why did you trust what he said without getting it in writing? hindsight i know but maybe youve learnt it the hard way, when it comes to business, get it in writing.

jezzer

livedadream wrote: »

if he has a reputation for being a liar why did you trust what he said without getting it in writing? hindsight i know but maybe youve learnt it the hard way, when it comes to business, get it in writing.

unfortunately i didnt know about his reputation at the time.... some of his business dealings are dubious at best, and i know of a lot of what he was up to...

livedadream

jezzer wrote: »

livedadream wrote: »

if he has a reputation for being a liar why did you trust what he said without getting it in writing? hindsight i know but maybe youve learnt it the hard way, when it comes to business, get it in writing.

unfortunately i didnt know about his reputation at the time.... some of his business dealings are dubious at best, and i know of a lot of what he was up to...

i dont know what you are implying but be very careful, i understand you are annoyed but making allegations like that are very serious, i dont know what role you have but some jobs have a duty to report wrongdoings. so be careful.

jezzer

livedadream wrote: »

i dont know what you are implying but be very careful, i understand you are annoyed but making allegations like that are very serious, i dont know what role you have but some jobs have a duty to report wrongdoings. so be careful.

very true and thanks for the advice, theoretically speaking, say i was aware of certain dodgey business dealings which I decide to bring to the relevant authorities, i can do so as a whistleblower right?

Hasmunch

You might have to chalk it up as an expensive lesson. At least in future you will always insist on getting everything in writing.

Edups

jezzer wrote: »

very true and thanks for the advice, theoretically speaking, say i was aware of certain dodgey business dealings which I decide to bring to the relevant authorities, i can do so as a whistleblower right?

Yes. You don't need to give your name or any details.

jezzer

Edups wrote: »

Yes. You don't need to give your name or any details.

Thanks, I may just have to do that

livedadream

the protected [font=Arial, "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif, Verdana]disclosure[/font] act would cover you but there are limitations, ie you doing stuff while knowing it was wrong etc, or not reporting it in a specific way or complaints that arise from malice ie, I didnt get my bonus so now im deciding you are being unethical and reporting you would not be looked favorably.

jezzer

livedadream wrote: »

the protected [font=Arial, "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif, Verdana]disclosure[/font] act would cover you but there are limitations, ie you doing stuff while knowing it was wrong etc, or not reporting it in a specific way or complaints that arise from malice ie, I didnt get my bonus so now im deciding you are being unethical and reporting you would not be looked favorably.

but if the information was true wouldnt that be looked upon favourably, plus the reason i may not have previously made a disclosure for fear of being fired?

Edups

livedadream wrote: »

the protected [font=Arial, "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif, Verdana]disclosure[/font] act would cover you but there are limitations, ie you doing stuff while knowing it was wrong etc, or not reporting it in a specific way or complaints that arise from malice ie, I didnt get my bonus so now im deciding you are being unethical and reporting you would not be looked favorably.

Who said they are going to bring up the bonus? You phone up leave the tip say no more.

h2005

livedadream wrote: »

the protected [font=Arial, "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif, Verdana]disclosure[/font] act would cover you but there are limitations, ie you doing stuff while knowing it was wrong etc, or not reporting it in a specific way or complaints that arise from malice ie, I didnt get my bonus so now im deciding you are being unethical and reporting you would not be looked favorably.

Why would the bonus ever be mentioned?

livedadream

jezzer wrote: »

livedadream wrote: »

the protected [font=Arial, "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif, Verdana]disclosure[/font] act would cover you but there are limitations, ie you doing stuff while knowing it was wrong etc, or not reporting it in a specific way or complaints that arise from malice ie, I didnt get my bonus so now im deciding you are being unethical and reporting you would not be looked favorably.

but if the information was true wouldnt that be looked upon favourably, plus the reason i may not have previously made a disclosure for fear of being fired?

whistleblowing isnt anonymous in most cases. if you feared being fired before what changed?
you will be asked basic questions such as do you have a grievance with your employer, have you raised the issue with them, if so why not, or what did they say, people think its like in the movies you ring up give them a tip off and hang up, in real life they need details, proof, facts and stuff to back it up.
this isnt goodfellas, this is someone career, reputation and a company with investors and creditors.

nothing is looked on favorably, you are admitting you knew of potential illegal activity and didnt feel the need to do anything about it until you got screwed over, do you honestly think your boss wont figure out that by being underhanded with you in regards to a bonus that you reported him?
its very easy for him to say you are a disgruntled employee that had no difficultly with doing or letting it go on until this issue arose.
i have no difficulty with people being whistleblowers, theres a reason its protected status but its people who take the piss that ruin it for others, if you have a genuine concern report it, if you want to get your own back grow up.

jezzer

livedadream wrote: »

whistleblowing isnt anonymous in most cases. if you feared being fired before what changed?
you will be asked basic questions such as do you have a grievance with your employer, have you raised the issue with them, if so why not, or what did they say, people think its like in the movies you ring up give them a tip off and hang up, in real life they need details, proof, facts and stuff to back it up.
this isnt goodfellas, this is someone career, reputation and a company with investors and creditors.

nothing is looked on favorably, you are admitting you knew of potential illegal activity and didnt feel the need to do anything about it until you got screwed over, do you honestly think your boss wont figure out that by being underhanded with you in regards to a bonus that you reported him?
its very easy for him to say you are a disgruntled employee that had no difficultly with doing or letting it go on until this issue arose.
i have no difficulty with people being whistleblowers, theres a reason its protected status but its people who take the piss that ruin it for others, if you have a genuine concern report it, if you want to get your own back grow up.

i'm not sure what world you live in (your probably a teacher or something) but for the rest of us in the real world its not that simple, i may be aware that there are certain dodgey dealings going on but if i ever said anything about it i would surely get let go (i've seen it happen plenty of times..) regardless of whether i have a grievance or not the facts speak for themselves so if the authorities are pointed in the right direction, they will see the facts...

livedadream

I don't take being a teacher as an insult but I'm sure you meant it as such. In the real world I work in HR for a pharma company.
If you are aware of dodgey dealings then that's why whistling blowing protection exists. You only care now because you didn't get your alleged bonus.
I have no doubt that the investigators will see if there has been malpractice they will take the required action but the excuse of ah sure it was grand while we were mate won't fly with them, they will see as plain as the rest of the world that you had no problem with his dodgeyness until he screwed you over and didn't report it it makes you as bad as he is.

Hollister11

Verbal doesn't mean ****.