Light Aircraft accident, Aircraft off Runway at Kerry, Runway Closed

Storm 10

Just on RTE now Aer Lingus Regional ATR forced to return to Dublin after Light Aircraft gone off the runway at Kerry Airport , runway closed

Pat Dunne

Storm 10 wrote: »

Just on RTE now Aer Lingus Regional ATR forced to return to Dublin after Light Aircraft gone off the runway at Kerry Airport , runway closed

Unusual that it didn't divert SNN or ORK. Recall the that the Better Half was on a ORK flight one morning a number of years ago and ended up in KIR due to weather conditions in ORK. Ended up having to bus it to ORK.

JCX BXC

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Unusual that it didn't divert SNN or ORK. Recall the that the Better Half was on a ORK flight one morning a number of years ago and ended up in KIR due to weather conditions in ORK. Ended up having to bus it to ORK.

In the case of a likely lengthy runway closure, is it not better to return to the departure airport?

Irish Steve

Guessing that they didn't want the aircraft waiting at either SNN or ORK for the passengers to be bussed over, so by coming back to Dublin, the aircraft can stick with the plan for the rest of the day.

J.pilkington

Hopefully aer lingus ring the independent and threaten to pull advertising (as I understand they did with the Orlando article) due to the standard of reporting below which makes it look like an aer lingus plane was involved in the incident


http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/aer-lingus-flight-forced-to-divert-after-incident-at-kerry-airport-leads-to-runway-closure-35190655.html

Negative_G

J.pilkington wrote: »

Hopefully aer lingus ring the independent and threaten to pull advertising (as I understand they did with the Orlando article) due to the standard of reporting below which makes it look like an aer lingus plane was involved in the incident


http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/aer-lingus-flight-forced-to-divert-after-incident-at-kerry-airport-leads-to-runway-closure-35190655.html

The article states the following:

"According to reports, the runway at the airport has been closed after a small privately-owned plane temporarily went off the runway."

How anyone could possibly misconstrue that as an EI aircraft being involved baffles me.

I dislike the Independent as much as the next person but your post is ridiculous.

J.pilkington

Negative_G wrote: »

The article states the following:

"According to reports, the runway at the airport has been closed after a small privately-owned plane temporarily went off the runway."

How anyone could possibly misconstrue that as an EI aircraft being involved baffles me.

I dislike the Independent as much as the next person but your post is ridiculous.

IMO the headline and picture (attached below) are very clickbait. I clicked expecting the runway closure and the diversion being a direct result of an incident involving an lingus plane. Compare that headline to the headline of this thread which is an accurate reflection of the facts

Negative_G

J.pilkington wrote: »

IMO the headline and picture are very clickbait. I clicked in expecting an incident involving aer lingus

You referred to the standard of reporting in your first post, which to me refers to the contents of the article which appear factually correct and includes an official statement from EI Regional.

Don't know what more you could expect to be honest.

J.pilkington

Negative_G wrote: »

Don't know what more you could expect to be honest.

A headline that doesn't infer aer lingus had any part in the incident.

Don't know what your agenda is to be honest

Tenger

Lets all focus on the actual incident here.

We all know that the Indo has been extremely sloppy re aviation reporting in the past. I expect in this situation they focused on the ATR diversion as they had facts on it rather than sketchy details on the 'light aircraft'

Negative_G

J.pilkington wrote: »

A headline that doesn't infer aer lingus had any part in the incident.

Don't know what your agenda is to be honest

For the record, there is no agenda.

The facts are in the article and are crystal clear for anyone that bothers to read it.

Pat Dunne

Will the runway be reopened for the arrival of FR842 at 17:50?

Irish Steve

RTE's coverage on the 1 o clock news was as bad as the Indo, the first post in the thread, which I effectively completely rewrote almost immediately after it was put up, implied that the incident involved an Aer Lingus plane, as the RTE report spent more time mentioning that the flight from Dublin had returned to Dublin than it spent mentioning the real reason, the light aircraft that went off the runway, causing the closure.

Pat Dunne

Non-sensational and accurate reporting from mainstream media, is as rare as Rocking Horse Sh1te

Irish Steve

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Non-sensational and accurate reporting from mainstream media, is as rare as Rocking Horse Sh1te

I know, and with the focus of just about every mainstream TV channel on the American elections or Brexit, keeping up to date with accurate news is becoming a very difficult challenge, and I don't see it getting any better any time soon.

At least we try to keep what's posted here reasonably accurate, and hopefully interesting as well, though it's not easy at times,

Storm 10

Irish Steve wrote: »

RTE's coverage on the 1 o clock news was as bad as the Indo, the first post in the thread, which I effectively completely rewrote almost immediately after it was put up, implied that the incident involved an Aer Lingus plane, as the RTE report spent more time mentioning that the flight from Dublin had returned to Dublin than it spent mentioning the real reason, the light aircraft that went off the runway, causing the closure.

Yes thanks for that when I heard it on the 1pm news on RTE I was sure that an Aer Lingus plane went off the runway

exaisle

The story here is that a light aircraft was involved in an incident at Kerry airport, that nobody was injured in the incident, and that the runway is closed.

The fact that a flight had to divert back to Dublin is secondary.

Posting the pic of the Aer Lingus aircraft was shoddy. A picture paints a thousand words.... Nobody in the indo (or presumably in RTE) bothered their arses getting a stringer to get a pic of the runway and private aircraft in Kerry.... Surely somebody in the indo or RTE knows somebody with a mobile phone in Farranfore? Shoddy journalism. And I'm being kind here.

Pat Dunne

The runway has reopened with FR 842 landing and its return leg FR843 just about to take off.

Mebuntu

Within the past week or so my attention was drawn to another article that had just appeared in the Indo (not sure, now, may have been the I. Times) about all of the SNN T/A cancellations. From memory they reported 20 flights cancelled. Within a very short time the article was gone.

Gaoth Laidir

This is the headline:

"Aer Lingus flight forced to divert after incident at Kerry Airport leads to runway closure"

I have no idea why people on here have a problem with it. It does not imply EI was involved in the incident. I hate the Indo's normal standard of "journalism" as much as the next man but in this case I have to say criticism is unwarranted.

Any more details on what actually happened?

pepe the prawn

The runway and airport were back in service at 14:30, business as normal thereafter.

Irish Steve

OK. The runway at Kerry has reopened, and flights are operating normally. I am going to leave this thread open in the hope that we may get some more information about what actually happened, and that information will be gratefully received.

The subject of bad journalism, and how it affects Aer Lingus has now been well and truly exhausted to the point of tedium, Any more posts on that subject WILL receive a holiday from the forum

betterfly

Anybody know the reg of the light aircraft involved?

pepe the prawn

betterfly wrote: »

Anybody know the reg of the light aircraft involved?

Yes, but I don't think it would be fair to the owner/pilot to put it on a public forum. It was an Irish aircraft, and was not anything based at Kerry or Cork.

Stovepipe

I was in Tralee and saw a 172 over Tralee for quite a while and heard the event mentioned on the lunchtime news. Was it the same aircraft?

pepe the prawn

Stovepipe wrote: »

I was in Tralee and saw a 172 over Tralee for quite a while and heard the event mentioned on the lunchtime news. Was it the same aircraft?

No it wasn't a 172

Gaoth Laidir

pepe the prawn wrote: »

Yes, but I don't think it would be fair to the owner/pilot to put it on a public forum. It was an Irish aircraft, and was not anything based at Kerry or Cork.

Can I ask why not? In other cases the reg is one of the first pieces of information to appear here. It would only take one photo online for the reg to go public anyway.

Even what type of plane was it? I don't get the secrecy.

pepe the prawn

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Can I ask why not? In other cases the reg is one of the first pieces of information to appear here. It would only take one photo online for the reg to go public anyway.

Even what type of plane was it? I don't get the secrecy.

If someone has a photo they are happy to post then fire away (although I certainly wouldn't agree with it..) I don't own the aircraft nor have I anything to do with it so it's no skin off my nose.

It's not my place to be the one who announces on a public forum the reg details of the aircraft involved. If it was my aircraft I certainly wouldn't want it posted online before it absolutely had to be. Even though we live in a world of global free information I'd like to think that there's still some respect for individuals and their right to discretion in the event of misfortune.

If it was your aircraft and you were the one who had the accident, would you like it if the details were shared online without your consent? It'll all come out eventually anyway when the AAIU release a preliminary report on the incident, which will make all the details freely accessible in the public domain regardless of the owners feelings or consent on the matter. But that's the AAIU's perogative, not mine.

Not my aircraft, nor yours, so in essence, none of our business.

Gaoth Laidir

pepe the prawn wrote: »

If someone has a photo they are happy to post then fire away (although I certainly wouldn't agree with it..) I don't own the aircraft nor have I anything to do with it so it's no skin off my nose.

It's not my place to be the one who announces on a public forum the reg details of the aircraft involved. If it was my aircraft I certainly wouldn't want it posted online before it absolutely had to be. Even though we live in a world of global free information I'd like to think that there's still some respect for individuals and their right to discretion in the event of misfortune.

If it was your aircraft and you were the one who had the accident, would you like it if the details were shared online without your consent? It'll all come out eventually anyway when the AAIU release a preliminary report on the incident, which will make all the details freely accessible in the public domain regardless of the owners feelings or consent on the matter. But that's the AAIU's perogative, not mine.

Not my aircraft, nor yours, so in essence, none of our business.

It's nobody's business? So what's this thread about then?

Posting details online without someone's consent? Since when do you need to get someone's consent to post information that will be officially posted soon enough anyway?

I'm confused as to why this thread was started and is still open if we're not allowed discuss anything about it, not even the type of plane.

pepe the prawn

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

It's nobody's business? So what's this thread about then?

This thread is about the fact that a light aircraft had a runway excursion at KIR, the subsequent diversion of an inbound commercial flight and the temporary closure of the runway. This thread is *not* about the registration number or owner of the said aircraft.

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Posting details online without someone's consent? Since when do you need to get someone's consent to post information that will be officially posted soon enough anyway?

You've just said it yourself, it's information that will be *officially* posted online soon enough, however, I am not that official source, the AAIU are. There is no legal requirement to gain the individuals consent, I do believe however that there is a moral obligation not to broadcast someone's personal misfortune details online when there is no requirement to do so. Such as this case.

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

I'm confused as to why this thread was started and is still open if we're not allowed discuss anything about it, not even the type of plane.

I'm sure there will be a detailed discussion on it once the preliminary report comes out, or indeed if a newspaper catches a picture and runs with a story on it. Then it's out there for the whole world to see.

If you're so interested in the aircraft reg and type, have you considered contacting Kerry Airport or the AAIU to ask them to divulge this information to you?

embraer170

I was looking at Flightradar 24 that day and saw Cessna doing Shannon-Waterford-Cork-Kerry. Could have been that plane?

Tenger

I think this discussion about the runway closure and the media coverage of the Aer Lingus diversion has been exhausted. We will get all the details when the prelim AAIU report is released.

So to prevent myself or another mod issuing a warning or a ban on certain posters Im going to close this thread until more official information is released.

EDIT: I got called away for personal reasons after posting the above so didnt actually close the thread, so I deleted the posts by those who didnt quite get the message above.