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Which is the correct way to say this sentence?

  • 31-10-2016 1:59pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,743 ✭✭✭✭


    Settle an argument, boardsies...


    'Hollywood only wants what can be sold'

    OR

    'Hollywood wants only what can be sold'


    Or should only be in there at all?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Edups


    Settle an argument, boardsies...


    'Hollywood only wants what can be sold'

    OR

    'Hollywood wants only what can be sold'


    Or should only be in there at all?

    The former.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Settle an argument, boardsies...


    'Hollywood only wants what can be sold'

    OR

    'Hollywood wants only what can be sold'


    Or should only be in there at all?


    Hollywood only wants that which can enlighten our souls and give a greater understanding of the human condition and help us find truth.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Settle an argument, boardsies...


    'Hollywood only wants what can be sold'

    OR

    'Hollywood wants only what can be sold'


    Or should only be in there at all?

    They're both correct but mean two different things.

    First one means Hollywood wants nothing else. In other words what can be sold is their only want. Nothing else.

    Second one means Hollywood want what can be sold amongst other things such as world peace or a cure for cancer.

    Very subtle difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,826 ✭✭✭phill106


    Settle an argument, boardsies...


    'Hollywood only wants what can be sold'

    OR

    'Hollywood wants only what can be sold'


    Or should only be in there at all?
    From
    http://www.wikihow.com/Use-the-Word-Only-Correctly
    so from reading through it a bit, it would seem
    'Hollywood only wants what can be sold'
    is correct?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Settle an argument, boardsies...


    'Hollywood only wants what can be sold'

    OR

    'Hollywood wants only what can be sold'


    Or should only be in there at all?

    They're both correct.

    The first tallies with everyday use, the second is a little more formal and old-fashioned but still perfectly correct.

    There could also be a very slight different in meaning between the two.
    Placing only before wants could mean that Hollywood does nothing else but want what can be sold: it performs no other actions, and is single-minded.
    Placing only before what can be sold means that that's the only thing Hollywood wants, but doesn't preclude other actions or feelings, e.g. Hollywood could still need other things, for example.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Describes Paul Hollywood accurately


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,091 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    The second one is adequate but can be improved: 'Hollywood wants only that which can be sold'

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They're both correct.

    The first tallies with everyday use, the second is a little more formal and old-fashioned but still perfectly correct.

    There could also be a very slight different in meaning between the two.
    Placing only before wants could mean that Hollywood does nothing else but want what can be sold: it performs no other actions, and is single-minded.
    Placing only before what can be sold means that that's the only thing Hollywood wants, but doesn't preclude other actions or feelings, e.g. Hollywood could still need other things, for example.

    As an ESL teacher, I sometimes get students who ask stuff like this as a challenge because they know it's hard to explain. You should be an ESL teacher.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    As an ESL teacher, I sometimes get students who ask stuff like this as a challenge because they know it's hard to explain. You should be an ESL teacher.

    I am actually, guess I made the right career choice :).


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I am actually, guess I made the right career choice :).

    I guess so!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Neither. The correct way is "Hollywood wants what can only be sold".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Edups


    anna080 wrote: »
    Neither. The correct way is "Hollywood wants what can only be sold".

    No it's not I assure you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Hollywood only what can be sold, wants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    All Hollywood wants is that which can be sold


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Edups


    anna080 wrote: »
    All Hollywood wants is that which can be sold

    That's a correct way, but not the argument being put forward. I give you 7/10 Anna.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    Adding "That which" is bollocks for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    anna080 wrote: »
    Neither. The correct way is "Hollywood wants what can only be sold".

    That's too specific. The original sentences indicate that Hollywood wants things that can be sold, true. But it might be possible for those things to be defined by some other characteristic, e.g. they could be rented, or loaned out, in addition to potentially being sold.

    But this sentence suggests that if something could be rented or sold, or have anything else done to it, Hollywood wouldn't be interested. It wants things that can only be sold, and not have anything else done to them. The original sentences aren't so restrictive about what Hollywood wants.
    anna080 wrote: »
    All Hollywood wants is that which can be sold

    This is the same as the original two sentences, but much more formal. You'd never actually say that. It belongs more in an academic work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    That's too specific. The original sentences indicate that Hollywood wants things that can be sold, true. But it might be possible for those things to be defined by some other characteristic, e.g. they could be rented, or loaned out, in addition to potentially being sold.

    But this sentence suggests that if something could be rented or sold, or have anything else done to it, Hollywood wouldn't be interested. It wants things that can only be sold, and not have anything else done to them. The original sentences aren't so restrictive about what Hollywood wants.



    This is the same as the original two sentences, but much more formal. You'd never actually say that. It belongs more in an academic work.

    I don't think she was being serious but I doubt that that which is correct at all, as what does the that refer to? Movies is implied but not stated


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    I don't think she was being serious but I doubt that that which is correct at all, as what does the that refer to? Movies is implied but not stated

    that which is fine. Formal but fine. In this case it'd mean anything. As opposed to meaning anything, of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,743 ✭✭✭✭Welsh Megaman


    What about this...

    'Hollywood only wants what it can sell'

    OR

    'Hollywood wants only what it can sell'?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭notdarkyet


    I believe the second version is correct.
    Consider:
    He only likes cake and he likes only cake.
    'He only likes cake' suggests to me me he doesn't love it.
    'He likes only cake' suggests he doesn't like biscuits.
    Only is linked to the verb or the noun depending on its placement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,086 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Both sentences are gramatically correct, but they have slightly different meanings or emphases.

    "Hollywood only wants X" could mean that Hollywood merely wants X, but doesn't lust after X, steal X, seize X, or whatever; it just wants it. The emphasis is on the limits to the strength or force of Hollywood's attitude to X.

    But in "Hollywood wants only X" the emphasis is on X, the thing that is wanted; Hollywood wants nothing else but this, and it may want it passionately.

    Having said that, I think in the common idiom people would often say "Hollywood only wants X" when their point is actually that X is the only thing Hollywood wants. Accomplished English speakers will understand immediately what is meant, but a student of English as a foreign language will be puzzled, and will say, shouldn't that be "Hollywood wants only X"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭man_no_plan


    The correct use depends on what you're trying to say. Context is everything.


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