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Commotion Ocean

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Gatling

Get the popcorn on

Zaph

What complete and utter nonsense. If they're not good enough to get the points required to get on the course, do you really want them teaching your kids?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

That will raise the calibre of our teachers for sure.

Commotion Ocean

Zaph wrote: »

What complete and utter nonsense. If they're not good enough to get the points required to get on the course, do you really want them teaching your kids?

I'm not just talking about teaching roles. I'm talking about roles such as science engineering etc where understanding is more important than memory. just because you can memorise how a waterfall forms or memorise 20 poems, doesn't mean you'll be any good at maths or science if you get the points to attend such a course.

You could use the same argument for defence and fire. If you're not physically up to it, then you can't do the job.

sullivlo

I'm a girl.

I suck at memorising.

When exams are about what I remember, I do badly. When exams are about applying the knowledge that I have to a situation, I do well.

Can I get my points requirements reduced too?

freshpopcorn

I personally think the fifth and sixth year cycle in secondary needs to be changed to be more like the UK style system.
I just think their are too many subjects and I'd much have preferred to have studied two or three that I had an interest in.

sullivlo

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I personally think the fifth and sixth year cycle in secondary needs to be changed to be more like the UK style system.
I just think their are too many subjects and I'd much have preferred to have studied two or three that I had an interest in.

I'd suggest english grammar.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

dfeo wrote: »

I'm not just talking about teaching roles. I'm talking about roles such as science engineering etc where understanding is more important than memory. just because you can memorise how a waterfall forms or memorise 20 poems, doesn't mean you'll be any good at maths or science if you get the points to attend such a course.

You could use the same argument for defence and fire. If you're not physically up to it, then you can't do the job.

You mentioned teaching enough.

More boys in Engineering and Science courses than girls already, so no need for changes there.

9or10

sullivlo wrote: »

I'm a girl.

I suck at memorising.

When exams are about what I remember, I do badly. When exams are about applying the knowledge that I have to a situation, I do well.

Can I get my points requirements reduced too?

No. Us men are driven by our loins - poor souls that we are. Women do the sensible things in life.

Can I get back points now?

myshirt

Women are usually much better at organising themselves, which is a key skill that will help you prepping for exams.

I fear us men are just not as good in that domain. I for one always maintained just a large pile of notes when studying, literally just a pile of notes, the whole way to Leaving Cert, Law Degree, Law exams, accountancy exams. And it was hard. All the while you see women very organised with tabs and folders, and a few lads trying to replicate.

sullivlo

Alaric Small Poster wrote: »

You mentioned teaching enough.

More boys in Engineering and Science courses than girls already, so no need for changes there.

That's all changing though since the poor boys can't get to college with their bad memories. That's the only reason the girls are making it you know, their better memories.

:rolleyes:

To an extent I semi-agree with the OP, but I think a reform of the entire system is needed rather than a reduction in points for guys.

Make it less about memorising. Nobody needs to be able to list off every part of an obscure maths theorem, or need to remember a massive formula. Change the courses to be more practical.

Reduce the number of subjects for then leaving cert - do all what is a requirement for life in the junior cert and let the leaving cert be about an education.

And stop making people learn poems off by heart. That's silly.

somefeen

Ooooooh provocative

Commotion Ocean

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I personally think the fifth and sixth year cycle in secondary needs to be changed to be more like the UK style system.
I just think their are too many subjects and I'd much have preferred to have studied two or three that I had an interest in.

I'll second that. If a person isn't proficient in writing and reading and articulating oneself by the time they reach fifth year, then there is no hope.
Besides, forcing leaving certificate students to learn off realms of poetry, prose etc. will do little for development of one's linguistic skills.

The same goes for the teaching of Irish. I don't even think it should be considered a language for the scope of college applications, as a high proportion of students struggle with basic oral and aural skills even after 12 years of it. Reform the teaching and focus more on everyday use of the language and teach grammar in a fun and structured way instead of learning all of those useless prose.

The UK system is the best. If you are interested in the sciences, then study them, if you are interested in the arts, then study them. Everyone is catered for and no one will resent school as much as people do.

I also think that there should be a more comprehensive form of the leaving certificate (should people opt for it) which will encompass more life skilled tasks and allow people to train as a plumber, carpenter, electrician etc. whilst also having the opportunity to learn the three R's if they want.

lawlolawl

Don't agree with this idea at all.

Lowering the bar isn't the answer to attaining equality.

PucaMama

dfeo wrote: »

I've heard some voices before saying that there are less and less boys attending universities and getting roles such as teachers etc.

I think a solution to this would be to reduce points requirements for male applicants on the CAO. It's a know fact that boys are better at understanding information but girls are better at memorising said information and rote-memory is the very cornerstone of the LC, thus benefiting girls.

There are other areas that make special dispensation for girls due to lesser physical ability, such as separate entries in the DC Marathon and reduced physical and fitness requirements for the army, air corps, navy, garda and fire service.

If they want more boys in unis and in teaching, then this will be an interesting step forward

Will they reduce points for girls in areas where boys perform better? And if not why not?

evolving_doors

Alaric Small Poster wrote: »

That will raise the calibre of our teachers for sure.

Or hey... Just pay the female teachers less.

Elliott S

dfeo wrote: »

It's a know fact that boys are better at understanding information but girls are better at memorising said information and rote-memory is the very cornerstone of the LC, thus benefiting girls.

O_o

People love to talk down others who do well in the LC but that's a new low - "Yeah well, yeah well, they didn't understand what they wrote in the exams so there!".

Commotion Ocean

Elliott S wrote: »

O_o

People love to talk down others who do well in the LC but that's a new low.

What ?? How am I talking them down?

Owryan

So we ll lower the requirements to get into college but still expect to have the same quality graduates.

I can understand the need for positive discrimination for people with disabilities, but cause guys don't remember good?

Jimbob1977

Girls tend to thrive at regurgitating the necessary facts to pass exams.

Boys tend to be more creative.

I use the word 'tend'. It is not an absolute.

Most great inventions and technical developments are led by men.

Silverfish

dfeo wrote: »

I've heard some voices before saying that there are less and less boys attending universities and getting roles such as teachers etc.

I think a solution to this would be to reduce points requirements for male applicants on the CAO. It's a know fact that boys are better at understanding information but girls are better at memorising said information and rote-memory is the very cornerstone of the LC, thus benefiting girls.

There are other areas that make special dispensation for girls due to lesser physical ability, such as separate entries in the DC Marathon and reduced physical and fitness requirements for the army, air corps, navy, garda and fire service.

If they want more boys in unis and in teaching, then this will be an interesting step forward

Grand yeah, lets do that. Then we can work on having our cheaper car insurance back.












Oh god can open worms everywhere oh god

Elliott S

dfeo wrote: »

What ?? How am I talking them down?

Men understand, women just memorise. Come on, don't play oblivious, own what you wrote.

Commotion Ocean

Elliott S wrote: »

Men understand, women just memorise. Come on, don't play oblivious, own what you wrote.

and I admitted that men are bad at memorising !

looksee

Don't know where all this business of girls having better memories comes from. I had a rubbish memory at school, to the extent that I failed the equivalent of Junior Cert, though I knew I was not stupid. When I did eventually do a degree course as a mature student, which had almost no exams but a lot of in-depth testing of skills and analytical ability I came first in the year.

I do agree that memorising is not a good test of intelligence.

Owryan

dfeo wrote: »

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Ooh look the op just took their ball home because nobody wanted to agree with them

meeeeh

Owryan wrote: »

So we ll lower the requirements to get into college but still expect to have the same quality graduates.

I can understand the need for positive discrimination for people with disabilities, but cause guys don't remember good?

I think boys catch up with girls eventually so the advantage evaporates in university.

Anyway I think certain programmes could look into quotas. I don't care about teaching but medicine is one area where more men studying would be beneficial.

Elliott S

dfeo wrote: »

and I admitted that men are bad at memorising !

Yeah, it's far worse to say that women don't understand things as well. As you well know.

The_Valeyard

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I personally think the fifth and sixth year cycle in secondary needs to be changed to be more like the UK style system.
I just think their are too many subjects and I'd much have preferred to have studied two or three that I had an interest in.

Oh dear God no. Sure the Brits are changing their system to be more like ours. British education system is terrible.

somefeen

So is every other educational system
The can never accommodate for the full range of humanity in any system which aims to teach and qualify people in bulk.