JNLR 2016Q3

blue4ever

Radio seems to be on a downward trend whether that’s down to research methodology etc – I don’t know.
2FM in trouble, behind Sunshine in Dublin – no offense to S/S.
Usual outpourings: https://goo.gl/pvGRVR

KReid

98FM showing a marked improvement in the year on year in Dublin, FM104 showing a marked decline on the book on book but that's less important! Seems like the Strawberry Alarm Clock has lost a large chunk of listeners in the last year, i'm almost certain they where near 100k a few years back, seems to be around 72k now....still miles ahead of the others, SPin overall is dropping off after years of continued growth.

Interestingly TXFM go off air today, they are up slightly YOY.

Indie Dancer

Thanks for your great work as always Blue4Ever. I was wondering though if you could include all Dublin stations in the
"JNLR 2016Q3 Dublin Listenership" tab.

In the bit that says "Taken a few Dublin programmes, outside the ones that will show up in other tables, and given a rundown of their performance over a few books" it then goes onto cover:


RTE 1

2FM

Today

Newstalk

FM104

Q102

Spin

There's a few missing like Nova, TX on thier final book, 4FM etc.

Would it be possinle to add them?

gimmick

Red FM claiming top spot in Cork again it seems.

blue4ever

gimmick wrote: »

Red FM claiming top spot in Cork again it seems.

They are! (In average daily listenership)

blue4ever

Indie Dancer - thanks for the comment

I don't have that facility 'off the shelf' but might look at it for the next sessions - unfortunately it takes time and I've burned a bit of it at this point

Indie Dancer

Thanks Blue4Ever. It would interesting to see where 4FM's Breakfast show sits againt that of 2FM's etc.

smallfridge

gimmick wrote: »

Red FM claiming top spot in Cork again it seems.

They are, all adults 15+ red have 29% 96fm have 26%


15-24 red fm have 51% and 96fm have 23%

15-34 red fm have 96fm have 21%

And 96fm are the number one 35+

But average breakfast straight through to night time Red are number in each slot. A great year for them

Csalem

Can someone explain how the share works please? In Dublin Spin has more listeners than 98FM but Spin has a smaller share.
http://www.ilevel.ie/media-blog/radio/102913-jnlr-2016q3-dublin-listenership

vince

Great results for red fm seems niel prenderville has officialy got to no 1 again. Kc needs a few more thousand and theyve nailed it.

Faugheen

Honestly can't get my head around this book.

It's like every station (in Dublin at least) has taken a hit (and some big hits in the case of FM104 and 2fm) bar 98fm. Where's everyone else going?

It seems like there was an agreement among all radio stations not to publicise their results on social media (due to TXFM finishing up I'm assuming) but Red decided to do it anyway, which is a bit of a ****ty thing to do.

vince

Faugheen wrote: »

Honestly can't get my head around this book.

It's like every station (in Dublin at least) has taken a hit (and some big hits in the case of FM104 and 2fm) bar 98fm. Where's everyone else going?

It seems like there was an agreement among all radio stations not to publicise their results on social media (due to TXFM finishing up I'm assuming) but Red decided to do it anyway, which is a bit of a ****ty thing to do.

Why is it a ××××ty thing to do. A ilr 170 miles away from dublin to celibrate its success.

blue4ever

Csalem wrote: »

Can someone explain how the share works please? In Dublin Spin has more listeners than 98FM but Spin has a smaller share.
http://www.ilevel.ie/media-blog/radio/102913-jnlr-2016q3-dublin-listenership

Good question! Share is based on the number of minutes listened to. In the case of Spin it would suggest that although they have more listeners, these listeners listen to less minutes and when the share (listeners X minutes) is calculated 98fm come out ahead

Faugheen

vince wrote: »

Why is it a ××××ty thing to do. A ilr 170 miles away from dublin to celibrate its success.

Because with TX closing down the legitimacy of 16,000 representing the entire population is coming into question.

It's clear that there was a pact not to mention individual figures on social media between all stations, yet Red are the only ones who have on a day that the industry lost a station.

blue4ever

Indie Dancer wrote: »

Thanks for your great work as always Blue4Ever. I was wondering though if you could include all Dublin stations in the
"JNLR 2016Q3 Dublin Listenership" tab.

In the bit that says "Taken a few Dublin programmes, outside the ones that will show up in other tables, and given a rundown of their performance over a few books" it then goes onto cover:


RTE 1

2FM

Today

Newstalk

FM104

Q102

Spin

There's a few missing like Nova, TX on thier final book, 4FM etc.

Would it be possinle to add them?

Indie, I've added come figures to the Dublin page, it's not perfect and it's just this years numbers - not comparative (lazy bo11ox!). It might go some way to answering your question

gimmick

blue4ever wrote: »

They are! (In average daily listenership)

smallfridge wrote: »

They are, all adults 15+ red have 29% 96fm have 26%


15-24 red fm have 51% and 96fm have 23%

15-34 red fm have 96fm have 21%

And 96fm are the number one 35+

But average breakfast straight through to night time Red are number in each slot. A great year for them

Thats what I said. They have claimed top spot!!

ghostdancer

Faugheen wrote: »

Honestly can't get my head around this book.

It's like every station (in Dublin at least) has taken a hit (and some big hits in the case of FM104 and 2fm) bar 98fm. Where's everyone else going?

It seems like there was an agreement among all radio stations not to publicise their results on social media (due to TXFM finishing up I'm assuming) but Red decided to do it anyway, which is a bit of a ****ty thing to do.

overall radio listenership is down, so presumably people turning to their own music/podcasts/just listening less in general?

between the dogs dinner Newstalk have seemingly made of the new lineup, and TXFM closing down, I can see those numbers dropping much more in the next couple of books.

blue4ever

It's all in the numbers: % reach by age in three year intervals:



And Dublin........

KReid

ghostdancer wrote: »

overall radio listenership is down, so presumably people turning to their own music/podcasts/just listening less in general?

between the dogs dinner Newstalk have seemingly made of the new lineup, and TXFM closing down, I can see those numbers dropping much more in the next couple of books.

With the lack of audience TXFM had though it won't make much of a difference to overall figures, i expect the sample size to change for the next one to massage the figures maybe.

SimonMaher

blue4ever wrote: »

It's all in the numbers: % reach by age in three year intervals:



And Dublin........

Jaysus that's a scary looking chart.

Given the timespan that those charts cover (and fair play as always to blue4ever for the superb work), I don't think we can pin all the blame for the decline in Radio listening to Spotify and the like. Doubtless Streaming Services are a contributory factor but when you look at the JNLR graphs for how people are getting their music/radio, there is something more going on. Fashion? Formats? Regulation?

Simon

Csalem

blue4ever wrote: »

Good question! Share is based on the number of minutes listened to. In the case of Spin it would suggest that although they have more listeners, these listeners listen to less minutes and when the share (listeners X minutes) is calculated 98fm come out ahead

Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense.

And thanks for the great analysis as usual.

Indie Dancer

Thanks for that update Blue4Ever.

wnolan1992

Good work as ever blue4ever. Would it be possible to get the Off the Ball and Game on figures included though? They're normally there and it's interesting to see how they're doing.


Radio 1
Bloody 'aul fellas lads. That's the only explanation for Radio 1's popularity. 'Aul lads. :P
Fair play though. The one takeaway for me is that D'Arcy is still going steady. Building an audience making incremental gains. It'll be fascinating to see if he can capture more of the massive drop-off between himself and Joe Duffy over the coming books.

2FM
It's all utterly hopeless. Breakfast Republic is down 51,000 listeners since this time last year. Nicky down 32,000. Tracy Clifford down 27,000. How long will this clearly failed experiment of a schedule be allowed continue? I more than most on the forum was giving it time. But honestly, this just isn't good enough anymore. All shows down BoB and YoY again. It hasn't worked Dan. Someone needs to be brave enough to admit that.

Today FM
Troubling times for Anton I'd say. He's lost around 50,000 listeners since taking over. It doesn't seem to be bottoming out. You'd imagine he'll maybe get one or two more books at least, but I can't see it improving.
Fair play to Fergal D'Arcy though for stopping the slide in the 2:30-4:30 slot. I know he's not popular on the forum, but you can't argue with figures.

NewsTalk
Someone on the Breakfast thread suggested that you could determine that there's been a big loss for Breakfast based on the net loss of listeners between 7-12, but I'm gonna wait until Q4 to see how things are going.


Bad book for all the nationals except R1 really.

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

Honestly can't get my head around this book.

It's like every station (in Dublin at least) has taken a hit (and some big hits in the case of FM104 and 2fm) bar 98fm. Where's everyone else going?

Spotify, or silence. Perhaps they're just turning off the radio. Listenership isn't a zero-sum game.

The total stock of ears can rise or fall, and with the quality diminishing across some stations (Newstalk, most notably), a lot of people are simply turning off the radio.

For example, I don't want to hear George Hook at midday, neither do I want to hear Ronan Collins. I certainly have no interest in Dermot and Dave, or any other middle aged teenagers, for that matter; so the radio now goes quiet at midday.

marno21

A 21 year old in the car at 12am at night:

* 2FM has Alternative music on. How many people interested in this type of music tune into 2FM from 12-3 every night? Now fans of alternative genres can get music online 24h a day.

* Spin South West is fulfilling it's ridiculously imposed quota to play Irish music by playing an hour of Irish tunes that aren't deemed popular enough for the playlist

* Live95FM is repeating the morning talk show.

In Cork:

* 2FM as above.

* 96FM in fairness now have voicetracked music between 10pm and 1am where before there was a repeat of the Opinion Line.

* RedFM are repeating Neil Prendeville, which shouldn't be on RedFM to begin with.

This means 90% of people that age who would normally listen to pop music on the above stations either turn the radio off or listen to CD/streaming music. If they have to listen to CD/streaming music at that time it usually affects their listening habits during the day too, meaning they lose interest in radio.

Capital and the like in the UK may not be great due to their butchering of local stations, but the local stations like Juice FM in Liverpool they replaced at least had a consistent sound 24 hours a day. Pop music driven stations like Spin are going to lose listeners when they are broadcasting talk shows, or alternative shows because they are bound to do so by their licence. These massive restrictions on radio stations need to be relaxed if stations are to have a consistent sound and succeed in stopping the decline in listenership.

Kensington

SimonMaher wrote: »

Jaysus that's a scary looking chart.

Given the timespan that those charts cover (and fair play as always to blue4ever for the superb work), I don't think we can pin all the blame for the decline in Radio listening to Spotify and the like. Doubtless Streaming Services are a contributory factor but when you look at the JNLR graphs for how people are getting their music/radio, there is something more going on. Fashion? Formats? Regulation?

Simon

Just a random thought, I wonder have changing habits/practices had some impact?

For example, big crackdown in recent years by IMRO on playing copyrighted audio in public without a license. I know of 3 shops alone in the area where I'm working that used all play various FM radio stations throughout the shop, two have now switched to playing royalty free music (which is truly awful!) whilst the third has just switched the music off altogether.

There's been a massive increase in cycling as a way of commuting in recent years, which, bar a small exception of brave (or perhaps silly!) souls, tend not to have any way of listening to the radio. I'd imagine most radio listening is done during the two commuting windows so every new cyclist commuter is effectively a lost listener.

Availability of WiFi on trains and buses and ever growing 4G coverage, where one might have only had the choice of FM before they now have internet sufficiently capable of streaming spotify or low quality online streams.

L1011

Older feature phones and smartphones had FM radios. These days only Sony still have FM as far as I know. That will have had an appreciable impact on commuters - pocket FM radios were popular until phones replaced them and people won't bother going back

Only a minor factor but each minor factor adds up

ThisRegard

Motorola have FM radios too.

blue4ever

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Good work as ever blue4ever. Would it be possible to get the Off the Ball and Game on figures included though? They're normally there and it's interesting to see how they're doing.


Radio 1
Bloody 'aul fellas lads. That's the only explanation for Radio 1's popularity. 'Aul lads. :P
Fair play though. The one takeaway for me is that D'Arcy is still going steady. Building an audience making incremental gains. It'll be fascinating to see if he can capture more of the massive drop-off between himself and Joe Duffy over the coming books.

2FM
It's all utterly hopeless. Breakfast Republic is down 51,000 listeners since this time last year. Nicky down 32,000. Tracy Clifford down 27,000. How long will this clearly failed experiment of a schedule be allowed continue? I more than most on the forum was giving it time. But honestly, this just isn't good enough anymore. All shows down BoB and YoY again. It hasn't worked Dan. Someone needs to be brave enough to admit that.

Today FM
Troubling times for Anton I'd say. He's lost around 50,000 listeners since taking over. It doesn't seem to be bottoming out. You'd imagine he'll maybe get one or two more books at least, but I can't see it improving.
Fair play to Fergal D'Arcy though for stopping the slide in the 2:30-4:30 slot. I know he's not popular on the forum, but you can't argue with figures.

NewsTalk
Someone on the Breakfast thread suggested that you could determine that there's been a big loss for Breakfast based on the net loss of listeners between 7-12, but I'm gonna wait until Q4 to see how things are going.


Bad book for all the nationals except R1 really.

Indie Dancer

Regarding JNLRs and phones, surely they take into account figures they can easily attain from TunedIn and the Irish Radio Player too?

And if not, why?

Ciaran

Indie Dancer wrote: »

Regarding JNLRs and phones, surely they take into account figures they can easily attain from TunedIn and the Irish Radio Player too?

And if not, why?

It's done by questionnaire isn't it?

Indie Dancer

I was wondering more what formats of radio the JNLR allows. As in, is it just FM? Do they cover TunedIn? Etc.

Because if TunedIn and similar apps arent included in the survey then it really isnt an accurate report of things.

L1011

Indie Dancer wrote: »

I was wondering more what formats of radio the JNLR allows. As in, is it just FM? Do they cover TunedIn? Etc.

Because if TunedIn and similar apps arent included in the survey then it really isnt an accurate report of things.

They record any method of listening but stations not licenced for your area go in to "Other".

Badabing

OTB got good figures no doubt about that, how are the doing on the weekends?

wnolan1992

blue4ever wrote: »

Cheers!


Fair play to them. 50,000 at that time is some achievement. If I'm right in saying so, that's higher than the previous hosts ever had?

I'm personally not a fan, but credit where it's due. And fair play to their new producer JP too. :pac:

blue4ever

Indie Dancer wrote: »

I was wondering more what formats of radio the JNLR allows. As in, is it just FM? Do they cover TunedIn? Etc.

Because if TunedIn and similar apps arent included in the survey then it really isnt an accurate report of things.

I think they cover all the bases - here's the question (one of many) they ask:

"When you were listening to .................. (mention station) yesterday, between .............. and ............... (mention time block in which listening occurred), which device did you use to listen?
on AM/FM radio - at home, in car or in any other place
on PC/laptop
on mobile device
phone, tablet, iPod, MP3 player
on TV set
on digital (D.A.B) radio"

It's not only here, but in many other countries they are questioning the 'diary' style questioning about radio research and whether its the best way for the future. However, there are not many alternatives.

hullaballoo

One of the things that made me switch from Samsung phones to HTCs is the fact that even the newest top of the range models from HTC have retained the FM radio.

That said, I tend to put on Spotify instead of radio unless I know one of an ever decreasing number of presenters is on. I'll listen to Anton if he's not doing his misery porn slot. Can't say I love it but I'll listen. I did enjoy the whole saga of getting the plane up the Shannon but there hasn't been much else memorable. I like Dermot and Dave. I won't listen to the rest of Today FM's line up for too long. Louise Duffy's new show is better than the afternoon show but I can't get my head around interspersing alternative and rock with Beyonce and the rest of that shoite.