'We've come a long way ladies'

kit3

One for the ladies

davedanon

http://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/kathrine-switzer-runs-the-boston-marathon



It shouldn't have had to be such a long way, surely.

kit3

davedanon wrote: »

http://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/kathrine-switzer-runs-the-boston-marathon



It shouldn't have had to be such a long way, surely.

Great read

UM1

Actually haven't....

Sacksian

Actually, that letter in the OP gives a good idea of the historical context to the use of the term "ladies" in women's sport. It really is an anachronistic term in a sporting sense. I'd say it'll probably be gone from team names in a decade or so.

kit3

UM1 wrote: »

Actually haven't....

The ladies have - the 'burds' maybe not so much :P

RacoonQueen

Sacksian wrote: »

Actually, that letter in the OP gives a good idea of the historical context to the use of the term "ladies" in women's sport. It really is an anachronistic term in a sporting sense. I'd say it'll probably be gone from team names in a decade or so.

Oh Jesus, don't mention the war...

Ososlo

Sacksian wrote: »

Actually, that letter in the OP gives a good idea of the historical context to the use of the term "ladies" in women's sport. It really is an anachronistic term in a sporting sense. I'd say it'll probably be gone from team names in a decade or so.

Couldn’t agree more - about a decade. At least women are officially referred to as ‘women’ on all the international sporting bodies’ and most national official websites listed below:

International Athletics Association: Every single event officially named as Men’s and Women’s
https://www.iaaf.org/competition

Irish Athletics Association:(nare a lady in sight! Go AI!)
http://www.athleticsireland.ie/competition/statistics/

Olympic Games official website: Every single event listed as Men’s and Women’s
https://www.olympic.org/

International Tennis Federation: Every single event listed uses the terms Men and Women
http://www.itftennis.com/home.aspx
Irish Tennis Association: Uses a mixture of ‘Ladies’’ and ‘Women’
www.tennisireland.ie
Interestingly, Wimbledon Tennis website is all for the ‘Ladies’ and the ‘Gentlemen’ http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/atoz/schedule.html equality:cool: No special rule for the 'ladies'

International Boxing Association: Men and Women
http://www.aiba.org/competitions/
Irish Boxing Association:Men and Women
http://iaba.ie/fixtures/events/

International Cycling Union: Menand Women
http://www.uci.ch/
Cycling Ireland: Men and Women
http://www.cyclingireland.ie/page/events/national-records

International Swimming Association FINA: Men and Women
http://fina.org/
Swim Ireland:Men and Women
http://www.swimireland.ie/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2016/09/2016-Irish-SC-Nationals-Meet-Conditions.pdf

International Golf Association:Men and Women
http://www.igfgolf.org/about-golf/major-competitions/

Irish Golf Association: Men only:rolleyes:
www.golfnet.ie

So, on an international level, we’re all equal, but on a national and local level, there’s still some inequality. Ireland’s main website for our national games is www.gaa.ie
Interestingly, there is not even a section on ‘women’ on their site, let alone ‘ladies’.
There is a separate special site for ‘The Ladies’. That alone speaks volumes when it comes to equality in this sporting body. In camogie they seem to refer to ‘women’ and ‘ladies’, but absolutely no getting away from ‘The Ladies’ in the football!
I have no problem with women being called ‘ladies’ in any sport if men are referred to as ‘gentlemen’ in the same sport. But as we all know, that doesn’t happen (Wimbledon being the only exception I can find in my thorough research ). It might sound like a small thing, but it’s part of a bigger picture of equality across the board. We have an awful long way to go with this but we will get there. Anyway, I think it’s good to start getting people to think twice about automatically using this term when referring to women in sport, and not just blindly using it.

It's very simple really:
'Men' is the equivalent to 'women'
'Ladies' is the equivalent to 'gentlemen'
'Ladies' is not the equivalent to 'men'

denis160

AFAIK & open to correction but the ladies gaa choose to be a seperate entity from the men's gaa. Personally I think they should all be under the 1 organisation & treated the same.

kit3

denis160 wrote: »

AFAIK & open to correction but the ladies gaa choose to be a seperate entity from the men's gaa. Personally I think they should all be under the 1 organisation & treated the same.

Yep, they are a separate organisation although most clubs that I know cater for both boys/girls, men/ladies within the club.

As for the rest, the original post was a bit of fun. The other argument had been done to death here.

average_runner

Ososlo wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more - about a decade. At least women are officially referred to as ‘women’ on all the international sporting bodies’ and most national official websites listed below:

International Athletics Association: Every single event officially named as Men’s and Women’s
https://www.iaaf.org/competition

Irish Athletics Association:(nare a lady in sight! Go AI!)
http://www.athleticsireland.ie/competition/statistics/

Olympic Games official website: Every single event listed as Men’s and Women’s
https://www.olympic.org/

International Tennis Federation: Every single event listed uses the terms Men and Women
http://www.itftennis.com/home.aspx
Irish Tennis Association: Uses a mixture of ‘Ladies’’ and ‘Women’
www.tennisireland.ie
Interestingly, Wimbledon Tennis website is all for the ‘Ladies’ and the ‘Gentlemen’ http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/atoz/schedule.html equality:cool: No special rule for the 'ladies'

International Boxing Association: Men and Women
http://www.aiba.org/competitions/
Irish Boxing Association:Men and Women
http://iaba.ie/fixtures/events/

International Cycling Union: Menand Women
http://www.uci.ch/
Cycling Ireland: Men and Women
http://www.cyclingireland.ie/page/events/national-records

International Swimming Association FINA: Men and Women
http://fina.org/
Swim Ireland:Men and Women
http://www.swimireland.ie/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2016/09/2016-Irish-SC-Nationals-Meet-Conditions.pdf

International Golf Association:Men and Women
http://www.igfgolf.org/about-golf/major-competitions/

Irish Golf Association: Men only:rolleyes:
www.golfnet.ie

So, on an international level, we’re all equal, but on a national and local level, there’s still some inequality. Ireland’s main website for our national games is www.gaa.ie
Interestingly, there is not even a section on ‘women’ on their site, let alone ‘ladies’.
There is a separate special site for ‘The Ladies’. That alone speaks volumes when it comes to equality in this sporting body. In camogie they seem to refer to ‘women’ and ‘ladies’, but absolutely no getting away from ‘The Ladies’ in the football!
I have no problem with women being called ‘ladies’ in any sport if men are referred to as ‘gentlemen’ in the same sport. But as we all know, that doesn’t happen (Wimbledon being the only exception I can find in my thorough research ). It might sound like a small thing, but it’s part of a bigger picture of equality across the board. We have an awful long way to go with this but we will get there. Anyway, I think it’s good to start getting people to think twice about automatically using this term when referring to women in sport, and not just blindly using it.

It's very simple really:
'Men' is the equivalent to 'women'
'Ladies' is the equivalent to 'gentlemen'
'Ladies' is not the equivalent to 'men'

GAA has nothing to do with women, they broke away thinking they be better off.

positron

kit3 wrote: »

Great read

+1. Amazing story.

yaboya1

Ososlo wrote: »

Sacksian wrote: »

Actually, that letter in the OP gives a good idea of the historical context to the use of the term "ladies" in women's sport. It really is an anachronistic term in a sporting sense. I'd say it'll probably be gone from team names in a decade or so.

Couldn t agree more - about a decade. At least women are officially referred to as women on all the international sporting bodies and most national official websites listed below:

International Athletics Association: Every single event officially named as Men s and Women s
https://www.iaaf.org/competition

Irish Athletics Association:(nare a lady in sight! Go AI!)
http://www.athleticsireland.ie/competition/statistics/

Olympic Games official website: Every single event listed as Men s and Women s
https://www.olympic.org/

International Tennis Federation: Every single event listed uses the terms Men and Women
http://www.itftennis.com/home.aspx
Irish Tennis Association: Uses a mixture of Ladies and Women
www.tennisireland.ie
Interestingly, Wimbledon Tennis website is all for the Ladies and the Gentlemen http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/atoz/schedule.html equality:cool: No special rule for the 'ladies'

International Boxing Association: Men and Women
http://www.aiba.org/competitions/
Irish Boxing Association:Men and Women
http://iaba.ie/fixtures/events/

International Cycling Union: Menand Women
http://www.uci.ch/
Cycling Ireland: Men and Women
http://www.cyclingireland.ie/page/events/national-records

International Swimming Association FINA: Men and Women
http://fina.org/
Swim Ireland:Men and Women
http://www.swimireland.ie/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2016/09/2016-Irish-SC-Nationals-Meet-Conditions.pdf

International Golf Association:Men and Women
http://www.igfgolf.org/about-golf/major-competitions/

Irish Golf Association: Men only:rolleyes:
www.golfnet.ie

So, on an international level, we re all equal, but on a national and local level, there s still some inequality. Ireland s main website for our national games is www.gaa.ie
Interestingly, there is not even a section on women on their site, let alone ladies .
There is a separate special site for The Ladies . That alone speaks volumes when it comes to equality in this sporting body. In camogie they seem to refer to women and ladies , but absolutely no getting away from The Ladies in the football!
I have no problem with women being called ladies in any sport if men are referred to as gentlemen in the same sport. But as we all know, that doesn t happen (Wimbledon being the only exception I can find in my thorough research ). It might sound like a small thing, but it s part of a bigger picture of equality across the board. We have an awful long way to go with this but we will get there. Anyway, I think it s good to start getting people to think twice about automatically using this term when referring to women in sport, and not just blindly using it.

It's very simple really:
'Men' is the equivalent to 'women'
'Ladies' is the equivalent to 'gentlemen'
'Ladies' is not the equivalent to 'men'

Your research is not that thorough. There is no such thing as the Irish Golf Association.

In Ireland, there's the GUI (Golfing Union of Ireland) for men & the ILGU (Irish Ladies Golfing Union) for women. I'm fairly certain the ILGU was set up by women, is run by women and governs the game of golf in Ireland for women. So no real point directing any outrage at the men here. They have nothing to do with that organisation or its title. This is not just an Irish thing either. Men & women's golf are governed by different bodies worldwide. They generally have very little to do with each other. E.g. LPGA (Ladies Professional Golfers Association), ruling body for women's golf in America.

You may have a problem with it, but the 'lady' members obviously don't. Maybe they don't want to be called women?


EDIT: There is also no International Golf Association. As I said, men & women's golf are governed by completely different bodies worldwide. That link you provided is for some crowd who have governance over golf at the Olympics. That's the extent of their power.

Working class heroes

Croquet has set the standard I think.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croquet

A damn fine way to spend an afternoon.

Ososlo

yaboya1 wrote: »

EDIT: There is also no International Golf Association. As I said, men & women's golf are governed by completely different bodies worldwide. That link you provided is for some crowd who have governance over golf at the Olympics. That's the extent of their power.

Cheers, I didn't know that. Thanks for clarifying.

yaboya1

Ososlo wrote: »

Cheers, I didn't know that. Thanks for clarifying.

So you didn't know that, yet were using it to back up your point?

Ososlo wrote: »

International Golf Association:Men and Women
http://www.igfgolf.org/about-golf/major-competitions/

Irish Golf Association: Men only
www.golfnet.ie

So, on an international level, we’re all equal

Strange.
Can it be trusted that the rest of the stuff you've posted there is accurate in that case?

Ososlo

yaboya1 wrote: »

Can it be trusted that the rest of the stuff you've posted there is accurate in that case?

Yep, looks good to me.

average_runner

Ososlo wrote: »

Yep, looks good to me.

Yeah ye have come along way, still stopping men running the mini marathon

El Caballo

Can't hold back the anorak in me so here goes, google Bobbi Gibb.

UM1

El Caballo wrote: »

Can't hold back the anorak in me so here goes, google Bobbi Gibb.

U sure u dont mean Barry Gibb,,all the byrds seem to love him...

joesoap5

kit3 wrote: »

One for the ladies

well looks like I'm not a one man band after all, someone felt inspired by my thread to start the same topic again


I often find that.

Working class heroes

UM1 wrote: »

U sure u dont mean Barry Gibb,,all the byrds seem to love him...

....because he sounds like one.

davedanon

Barry Gibb was in the Bee Gees, not the Byrds.

kit3

kit3 wrote: »

As for the rest, the original post was a bit of fun. The other argument had been done to death here.

joesoap5 wrote: »

well looks like I'm not a one man band after all, someone felt inspired by my thread to start the same topic again


I often find that.

Not really. This thread started as a humourous look back at how things were historically. Yours was a moanfest at how you perceive the present day. I understand that the subtlety may have been lost on you though.

Murph_D

kit3 wrote: »

Not really. This thread started as a humourous look back at how things were historically. Yours was a moanfest at how you perceive the present day. I understand that the subtlety may have been lost on you though.

As skits go though, not a very good one. "Lady parts" doesn't sound very 60s to me. Looks more a windup tbh. :rolleyes:

kit3

Murph_D wrote: »

As skits go though, not a very good one. "Lady parts" doesn't sound very 60s to me. Looks more a windup tbh. :rolleyes:

Still has the same humourous effect for those that want to take it that way. Those that don't can simply ignore.

Murph_D

kit3 wrote: »

Still has the same humourous effect for those that want to take it that way. Those that don't can simply ignore.

Thanks for the 'splaining, K!

kit3

Murph_D wrote: »

Thanks for the 'splaining, K!

You're welcome. There was a little clue in the link where it said 'satire piece' .... :cool:

Murph_D

kit3 wrote: »

You're welcome. There was a little clue in the link where it said 'satire piece' .... :cool:

There's a little clue in my post too.