Typical morning scenario

SteelyDanJalapeno

Hi!

Looking for some boards expertise in the following morning scenario I regularly come accross on my way to work.

I am the blue line looking to continue in my middle lane, there is a car sitting waiting in my lane ahead of me where the red x is queueing to get into the lane on my right.

I cannot see this car sitting here until the very last moment as they're are cars around the bend with plenty traffic in that lane causing it to be blind for me.

If I hit this car, am I in the wrong?

Special Circumstances

Yes

porsche boy

If you hit me in that senario this is What I would argue; Your entering a yellow box without knowing the exit is clear and you were driving without due care & attention. You know it's a blind spot yet you didn't actively attempt to avoid a crash.

As per the rules on the road: a driver should only enter a yellow box when he knows the exit path is clear for him.

cruizer101

Think of it this way, what if he was sitting there but continuing one in your lane.

Yes neither should be in yellow box but if you can't see way is clear you need to slow down.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Good to know! Thanks alot for the reply.

SteelyDanJalapeno

porsche boy wrote: »

If you hit me in that senario this is What I would argue; Your entering a yellow box without knowing the exit is clear and you were driving without due care & attention. You know it's a blind spot yet you didn't actively attempt to avoid a crash.

As per the rules on the road: a driver should only enter a yellow box when he knows the exit path is clear for him.

Is your second statement not true for both parties? They knowingly enter the box without being able to leave

Isambard

if a car is stationary in the yellow box it's an offense, but it doesn't shift the blame for the accident off the guy who hits him who would be solely to blame for the accident.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Based on the above explanations, I should go about my commute expecting someone to be parked in my free flowing lane and any accident they will be fault free.

What's the point in junctions if this is the case? may aswel allow all cars coming from the above junction on my left to park accross all 3 lanes of traffic.

Isambard

it's exactly the same position as if there was a child stood in the road and you ran into them.

maximum12

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Based on the above explanations, I should go about my commute expecting someone to be parked in my free flowing lane and any accident they will be fault free.

What's the point in junctions if this is the case? may aswel allow all cars coming from the above junction on my left to park accross all 3 lanes of traffic.

If you can't stop in the amount of road you can see in front of you then you're going too fast.

This reminds me of people who think they can blamelessly crash into private cars in bus lanes because the car shouldn't be there.

corkgsxr

That's slow moving corner even empty.

I can't see how in morning traffic you could be going so fast that this is a issue.

grogi

TiltedBrain wrote: »

If I hit this car, am I in the wrong?

Yes.

porsche boy

TiltedBrain wrote:

Is your second statement not true for both parties? They knowingly enter the box without being able to leave

Technically that is correct but the the context of a crash the OP would be responsible.

frozenfrozen

You are at fault if you crash into someone who is stopped...

but, he shouldn't be stopped in the yellow box, and he is only stopped in the yellow box because people in the lane he wishes to go into, are also stopped in the yellow box.


Bad road design... because nobody follows the rules... but still don't crash into anyone

grogi

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Bad road design... because nobody follows the rules... but still don't crash into anyone

You can't blame designers for people not following the rules.

Incidentally, the Garda HQ in Cork are 50m from this point...

frozenfrozen

grogi wrote: »

You can't blame designers for people not following the rules.

Incidentally, the Garda HQ in Cork are 50m from this point...

Yes but in practise there is a lot of stuff done exactly because people don't follow the rules.. it's traffic management not a driving test course