Quirky Nights Glamping

The_Wanderer

Monday 17th October was rather a strange day, seeing a BR Southern Region EMU in Co. Sligo in the North West of Ireland.

Quirky Nights Glamping have purchased 3CIG 1498 from the Epping & Ongar Railway in Essex and plan to convert it in to sleeping accommodation in their transport themed glamping village. The brainchild of David Mc'Gowan the village currently contains a Boeing 767, Double Decker Bus and Taxis. Other items yet to arrive include a Helicopter and a Yatch.


The train made the move from Ongar on Thursday night and travelled across the Irish Sea with Seatruck from Heysham on Sunday afternoon. The move to Co. Sligo took place during the earlier hours of day morning.


Click http://smu.gs/2enkhv8 to view all the images from the day in Sligo, plus some of the movement in Dublin City.

savagethegoat

it just goes to show that "preservation" means nothing to some people and preservationists should be very careful who they sell to if their rolling stock means anything to them.

Another example is a tramcar somewhere in Dublin I believe turned into a pavement café.

Fortunately it's only a CIG which isn't of much importance historically but I'm sure some sectors of the Preservation World will be appalled.

n97 mini

savagethegoat wrote: »

it just goes to show that "preservation" means nothing to some people and preservationists should be very careful who they sell to if their rolling stock means anything to them.

Another example is a tramcar somewhere in Dublin I believe turned into a pavement café.

Fortunately it's only a CIG which isn't of much importance historically but I'm sure some sectors of the Preservation World will be appalled.

The other party interested in buying them was a film company who wanted to roll them down a hill and blow them up. I think this is the better option!

savagethegoat

marginally better. Same end result

end of the road

apparently it was "surplus to requirements" at the railway where it was based. i'm not quite sure why the particular railway bothered, but i suppose it not existing at all would probably be worse so the people over there will be glad they did and they had it for a while at least.

for the unit this glamping hamby pamby is better then being blown up but i can't help agreeing with savage that it will likely end up rotting where it is and will eventually be some income for hammond lane or whatever is the main railway recycler these days. maybe i will be proven wrong.

Del.Monte

Between glamping in old planes and railbuses, Moyasta and Dromod, Hammond Lane are going to be kept busy.

savagethegoat

i suppose you could argue it's a shame they didn't buy IEs mk3s, they would have been cheaper but maybe being aircon units they wouldn't have suited

afatbollix

savagethegoat wrote: »

marginally better. Same end result

You would rather they were scrapped?

That's some preservation all right.

Grandeeod

end of the road wrote: »

apparently it was "surplus to requirements" at the railway where it was based. i'm not quite sure why they bothered, but i suppose it not existing at all would probably be worse so the people over there will be glad they did and they had it for a while at least.

for the unit this glamping hamby pamby is better then being blown up but i can't help agreeing with savage that it will likely end up rotting where it is and will eventually be some income for hammond lane or whatever is the main railway recycler these days. maybe i will be proven wrong.

Such an utterly uninformed opinion that is. This guy in Sligo is building a transport themed glamping site. He has money. He has business sense. He has enthusiasm. He has a plan. Do not judge him in the same way you would view Dromod or the WCR. He didn't use his own money to move a ****ing aircraft from Shannon to Enniscrone so it could rot in a field.

You will be proven wrong.

Grandeeod

savagethegoat wrote: »

it just goes to show that "preservation" means nothing to some people and preservationists should be very careful who they sell to if their rolling stock means anything to them.

Another example is a tramcar somewhere in Dublin I believe turned into a pavement café.

Fortunately it's only a CIG which isn't of much importance historically but I'm sure some sectors of the Preservation World will be appalled.

Sorry Savage, but whats your problem with this gig in Sligo? Or is your problem with the crowd in England for selling it to him in the first place.

Preservation can happen in many ways.

Del.Monte

Grandeeod wrote: »

Such an utterly uninformed opinion that is. This guy in Sligo is building a transport themed glamping site. He has money. He has business sense. He has enthusiasm. He has a plan. Do not judge him in the same way you would view Dromod or the WCR. He didn't use his own money to move a ****ing aircraft from Shannon to Enniscrone so it could rot in a field.

You will be proven wrong.

Perhaps he does have money behind him, but you only have to look at what has befallen other modern stock sold by CIE at Moyasta and other places. Friend at Moyasta has plenty of dosh but his Mk IIIs .....

savagethegoat

Grandeeod wrote: »

Sorry Savage, but whats your problem with this gig in Sligo? Or is your problem with the crowd in England for selling it to him in the first place.

Preservation can happen in many ways.

this isn't preservation, it's buying something which will be used until it's no use any more and scrapped. Gutting three coaches for glamping accommodation can't be called preservation. As I said, at least it's only a not too important CIG unit. Would you feel the same if RPSI had sold him three of their surplus coaches?

Grandeeod

Del.Monte wrote: »

Perhaps he does have money behind him, but you only have to look at what has befallen other modern stock sold by CIE at Moyasta and other places. Friend at Moyasta has plenty of dosh but his Mk IIIs .....

Feckin hell! No wonder the preservation thread I started got closed.:rolleyes: I don't care about goons like the people at Moyasta or Dromod. They aren't business people with an achievable plan anyway. Converting a train carriage to accomodation or an aircraft, or taxi or a bloody boat and making it available to a general tourist population is a no brainer. Quirkey Glamping! Brilliant!

More general sour grapes from those interested in preservation. Lots of genuine good intentions but far too much anger.

Grandeeod

savagethegoat wrote: »

this isn't preservation, it's buying something which will be used until it's no use any more and scrapped. Gutting three coaches for glamping accommodation can't be called preservation. As I said, at least it's only a not too important CIG unit. Would you feel the same if RPSI had sold him three of their surplus coaches?

Answer my original questions please and I'll deal with your preservation issue then.

savagethegoat

what original question did I not answer?

this one ?
"Sorry Savage, but whats your problem with this gig in Sligo? Or is your problem with the crowd in England for selling it to him in the first place."
I think you'll find the answer to that in my post you quoted!

Del.Monte

Grandeeod wrote: »

Feckin hell! No wonder the preservation thread I started got closed.:rolleyes: I don't care about goons like the people at Moyasta or Dromod. They aren't business people with an achievable plan anyway. Converting a train carriage to accomodation or an aircraft, or taxi or a bloody boat and making it available to a general tourist population is a no brainer. Quirkey Glamping! Brilliant!

More general sour grapes from those interested in preservation. Lots of genuine good intentions but far too much anger.

Is this a five minute argument or a full session?

n97 mini

I look forward to spending a few nights there. Despite having a (very small) bed I didn't get a wink of sleep on the California Zephyr and I can't afford the Grand Hibernian!

Grandeeod

savagethegoat wrote: »

what original question did I not answer?

this one ?
"Sorry Savage, but whats your problem with this gig in Sligo? Or is your problem with the crowd in England for selling it to him in the first place."
I think you'll find the answer to that in my post you quoted!

Well as you have referred me to your post, it seems your problem is with the chap in Enniscrone as you refer to gutting and being scrapped when of no further use. But then again in your own words its not really an important unit in preservation terms.

The_Wanderer

Jesus same old suspects coming up in this thread with the bitter comments.

Boards.ie should be renamed negative central.

This man has a vision and a plan. The amount of publicity and interest he generated with the plane was huge. That movement wasn't cheap.

I look forward to staying there when it's all done and open for business.

savagethegoat

you're not making much sense I'm afraid. My reference to gutting and eventually scrapping the unit was in response to someone inferring that this plan is a form of preservation.

The_Wanderer

n97 mini wrote: »

I look forward to spending a few nights there. Despite having a (very small) bed I didn't get a wink of sleep on the California Zephyr and I can't afford the Grand Hibernian!

I slept rather well on the Zephyr.

Was it the Roomette you had? I had the Bedroom.

Grandeeod

Del.Monte wrote: »

Is this a five minute argument or a full session?

I was planning on a simple five minute job until my instinct accurately predicted who would thank your post.:D

AlekSmart

Grandeeod wrote: »

Such an utterly uninformed opinion that is. This guy in Sligo is building a transport themed glamping site. He has money. He has business sense. He has enthusiasm. He has a plan. Do not judge him in the same way you would view Dromod or the WCR. He didn't use his own money to move a ****ing aircraft from Shannon to Enniscrone so it could rot in a field.

You will be proven wrong.

It's not an uninformed opinion,it's merely symptomatic of our native reluctance to embrace viable ideas and endorse those who suggest them,particularly if they're Irish themselves.

This place has the potential to succeed,and to do so without being tied to any form of "Preservation",be it road,rail of air...this is all about trying a new approach and I reckon he'll succeed.......with a location like this,he already has a head-start........

http://www.diamondcoast.ie/upload/sequencer_images/Location.jpg

Grandeeod

savagethegoat wrote: »

you're not making much sense I'm afraid. My reference to gutting and eventually scrapping the unit was in response to someone inferring that this plan is a form of preservation.

Im sure you are a decent person, but you did mention "preservation" first in the thread albeit in a negative sense. I merely said that preservation can happen in many ways. We'll agree to differ.

Del.Monte

The_Wanderer wrote: »

Jesus same old suspects coming up in this thread with the bitter comments.

Boards.ie should be renamed negative central.

This man has a vision and a plan. The amount of publicity and interest he generated with the plane was huge. That movement wasn't cheap.

I look forward to staying there when it's all done and open for business.

I hope that you're not including me in that because I have never posted anything seriousy bitter on boards -yet. You'll know what bitter is if I ever do.

Anyway, your man can do what he likes with his glamping it's no skin off my nose and it's the natural order of things that his carriages will ultimately be razor blades whatever about the plane.

Grandeeod

AlekSmart wrote: »

It's not an uninformed opinion,it's merely symptomatic of our native reluctance to embrace viable ideas and endorse those who suggest them,particularly if they're Irish themselves.

This place has the potential to succeed,and to do so without being tied to any form of "Preservation",be it road,rail of air...this is all about trying a new approach and I reckon he'll succeed.......with a location like this,he already has a head-start........

http://www.diamondcoast.ie/upload/sequencer_images/Location.jpg

Respect you Alek, but the poster I replied to is beyond native reluctance.:D

I agree that the location is fantastic as I work there a few times a year and I wish it the best. But it seems that these days you can't bring a 1980 Honda 50 into your premises without some ****ehawk moaning about a museum/preservation or similar, while at the same time doing nothing or feeling bitter at failing in the first place.

Grandeeod

Del.Monte wrote: »

I hope that you're not including me in that because I have never posted anything seriousy bitter on boards -yet. You'll know what bitter is if I ever do.

Anyway, your man can do what he likes with his glamping it's no skin off my nose and it's the natural order of things that his carriages will ultimately be razor blades whatever about the plane.

I reckon he did include you in that great post. However my reference to bitterness in my post has nothing to do with you whatsoever.:D

n97 mini

The_Wanderer wrote: »

I slept rather well on the Zephyr.

Was it the Roomette you had? I had the Bedroom.

Roomette, but I don't think that was the problem. The train would hit some bends with a fair thud (or several) which woke me, once or twice out of fear that I was going to end up on the floor! And there are a lot of bends in the more mountainous parts of the route. I think if the bed was widthways instead of lengthways I wouldn't have been woken as much.

Salmon Leap

The_Wanderer wrote: »

Jesus same old suspects coming up in this thread with the bitter comments.

Boards.ie should be renamed negative central.

This man has a vision and a plan. The amount of publicity and interest he generated with the plane was huge. That movement wasn't cheap.

I look forward to staying there when it's all done and open for business.

Have to applaud the man. Hope it is a roaring success, and like The Wanderer, I can't wait to stay there.

Absolutely sick of perceived Irish Begrudgery and very disappointed to find it on this thread.

Logue no2

Salmon Leap wrote: »

Have to applaud the man. Hope it is a roaring success, and like The Wanderer, I can't wait to stay there.

Absolutely sick of perceived Irish Begrudgery and very disappointed to find it on this thread.

There's always someone out there who will be quick to criticise. A lot harder to find folks prepared to support and encourage people. I think it's a mad and brilliantly original idea. Enniscrone is one of Ireland's loveliest places and this will encourage me to come and stay when it's open.

Banjoxed

Salmon Leap wrote: »

Have to applaud the man. Hope it is a roaring success, and like The Wanderer, I can't wait to stay there.

Absolutely sick of perceived Irish Begrudgery and very disappointed to find it on this thread.

Sadly, I'm not a bit surprised. I've seen a lot of it in Ireland down the years and Boards reflects this. Pretty much why a lot of the Irish away do better than many stuck at home with that all pervasive cynicism and begrudgery.

tabbey

A couple of points, I hope no offence will be taken, none is intended.

One of the photos of the CIG unit, refers to DTCO - Diver Train Compartment Open. I think this should be Driving Trailer Composite Open. Composite meaning a variety of classes, in this case, first and standard (formerly second).

I wish this project well, but I think it is sad that such a classic ex- Southern Region set should be exiled to the wild Atlantic coast of Sligo. I had thought that the Epping - Ongar line was less than appropriate, it should be on the Alton "Watercress" line or such like. But at least Epping - Ongar had a history of third rail electrification for three or four decades, albeit using LT tube stock, connecting with Central line services under London. I have fond memories of the Epping _ Ongar route, like the Chesham branch, it was a rural backwater. I recall talking to the one man in Blake Hall station one morning, about how quiet it was. He replied that he had sold fourteen tickets that morning, I resisted the temptation to tell him some other stations had sold fourteen hundred.

One other problem I have with preserving steel stock on an Atlantic seaside, is the inevitable rust which will probably destroy the vehicles after some years. Aircraft made of aluminium or carbon fibre should survive, but alas not mild steel trains.

Meanwhile I hope to visit this site sometime,& wish the campers an enjoyable vacation.

The_Wanderer

tabbey wrote: »

A couple of points, I hope no offence will be taken, none is intended.

One of the photos of the CIG unit, refers to DTCO - Diver Train Compartment Open. I think this should be Driving Trailer Composite Open. Composite meaning a variety of classes, in this case, first and standard (formerly second).

Tabby thanks for spotting that mistake. When I wrote the captions on Monday night I was rather tired, after a very busy weekend away in Belfast with family and then in Sligo on the Monday.

Of course DTCO should be Driver Trailer Composite Open.

Graham

n97 mini wrote: »

The other party interested in buying them was a film company who wanted to roll them down a hill and blow them up. I think this is the better option!

savagethegoat wrote: »

marginally better. Same end result

:eek: for the sake of the glampers, one would hope not.

whisky_galore

end of the road wrote: »

but i can't help agreeing with savage that it will likely end up rotting where it is and will eventually be some income for hammond lane or whatever is the main railway recycler these days. maybe i will be proven wrong.

He's not going to attract paying guests with a 'rotting' piece of former rolling stock, it's in his interest to keep it maintained and painted.