Rottie injury

blaaah

Hi all,


I'm looking to pick your brains today. I have a 9 year old Rottie who's had alot of problems with his back, lower spine. He can still play and swim etc so that's great. The problem I'm having is that his injury protrudes onto his bladder and now he wee's a little when lying down and standing up. I can't bring him into the house now for obvious reasons.

I've tried one of those cool doggy nappys but the area itself is pretty sore and it's a no go trying to wrap a nappy tightly around that area. I've tried couple of things but to no avail. I'd love to have him back in and around the house now that winter is approaching.

So, just to sum up he has injury on or around his back near tail and he wee's a little without control over it. I'm stumped tbh. Any help would be great. Thanks.

Knine

I take it he has been to the vet etc? Have you tried the male dog belly band? It is designed to stop a male dog marking, it might be more comfortable then the dog nappy.

Keeping him outdoors with his health issues & age might make him worse. Could you restrict him to an area of the house that is easy to clean up?

DBB

Is he dribbling whilst asleep or lying down? Or when he's standing up or walking around?
Also echo knine's query as to whether your vet has recommended anything?

tk123

Could you maybe use puppy pads where he lies down or the bigger bed/sleep mats you can get for kid when they're potty training? Or a few pieces of vet bed even?

DBB

Duh... Have just seen that he dribbles both lying down and standing up... That's what I get for speed-reading
The puppy pee pads are great for lying-down dribbling dogs... I sandwich them between two fleeces just for the comfort factor. Even the cheap ones in Dealz and other discount stores are really good. You may have to use a couple of them at a time in a big bed... Or you could get kid's bed-wetting pads which are bigger, but more pricey.
As for the peeing whilst standing up... The nappies or similar is all I can think of.
But I'm wondering has the vet discounted incontinence meds for some reason?

Stigura

blaaah wrote: »

I can't bring him into the house now for obvious reasons ..... I'd love to have him back in and around the house now that winter is approaching.

So, just to sum up he has injury on or around his back near tail and he wee's a little without control over it. I'm stumped tbh. Any help would be great. Thanks.

His dick leaks? Fine. I have a bitch here who has a tendency to dribble. <snip>

OP; Get down to the local hardware / builders merchants. Buy a roll of heavy plastic sheeting (Grey stuff. About €20.00 a roll? It'll out last ye Dog) Mop. Mop Bucket.

Then, supermarket, for a bottle of Dettol, to add a dash to the mop bucket water. As and when ye feel it needs refreshing. Just lay the plastic down between the door and the room he settles in. Not rocket science, is it?


Let me simplify this: If ye wife or child became incontinent? Would ye still love them, look after them. Do anything possible for them?

Or, would ye say; " I'm not putting up with this! Out ye go! Die out there! Alone! I've given up on ye! "

DBB

Stigura,
I have snipped out part of your above post because, quite frankly, I don't want to deal with the sh!tstorm your horrible phraseology is going to cause. Find a way to say things without flaming, or don't bother saying anything here in this forum.
As for the rest of your post, the op has clearly indicated that they're looking for ways to have the dog back in the house... That's what the thread is for, so no need for any emotive "die out there" statements.
This is not the first or second time I've had to ask you to either dial it right back and find a less soapboxing and inflammatory way of posting, or... Don't post.
Next time, you will receive a forum ban.
Do not reply to this post on thread. If you'd like to discuss it, pm me or one of the mod team.
Thanks,
DBB

Tony H

maybe try crate training , it would restrict the area that could be soiled and be easily cleaned , and the dog would still be inside and have your company , which is the most important thing in my opinion,
peoples circumstances are different and sometimes its impossible to keep a dog indoor , it happened to us with our golden for a few weeks and it nearly killed us seeing him outside ,
Best of luck op

SillyMangoX

Having been through this all before with a cat, it's hard but manageable. The thing that made the biggest difference to us was having him crate trained. Kept the mess confined to one area overnight which made things much much easier. Incontinance sheets line the bottom of the crate, then a sheet of vet bed and more incontinance sheets on top. I bought about 500 sheets on amazon (or eBay, memories a bit fuzzy) for less than €30 and they kept us going for a good year and a half.
Also the shop bought nappies were a bit hit and miss, we got one custom made online. Had to measure his waist and legs and send it off and it came within a month. He wasn't the biggest fan but it was much better than others he tried. As for the soreness- sudocrem or dermosalve (can be bought in vets) as well as regular washing in just plain water till it healed up, then after its healed keep putting Vaseline over the sore spots constantly. It helps the urine to just slide off instead of absorbing into the fur. If it's one particular spot that gets sore, maybe talk to a vet about clipping the hair off and again keep putting the Vaseline on it to help prevent the skin getting sore. Also something like the simple solution irone removal spray helps keep smells down from any leakage!
Hope it all works out okay!

ElKavo

Just thinking out loud but, isn't there an op that can be carried out on humans at least, that can tighten the sphincter muscle on the bladder? ... I did a bit of the google and there has been some work on dogs in the same area, perhaps your vet hasn't heard of it. here is an abstract of the study, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9123813 in the seven dogs treated 12m- 49 month follow ups resulted in 3 dogs responding excellently 3 responding as good and 1 as poor. They would seem to be good odds to me. Now at 9 YO your chap is old in Rottie terms but if he still has a good standard of living and no underlying medical conditions it may be worth investigating further. If it is just to make him more comfortable and minimize the mess as much as possible then you have some great suggestions above, Vaseline over the effected area should stop urine sitting on the sores and let them heal up. Is there anything that can be done for the injured area that could help to stop the cause?

Best of luck either way, all Rotties deserve a bit of love, it would kill me to have my guys out the back at that time of their lives.

blaaah

Hey, that sounds like a great idea, where could I buy one of those? Yeh he's been to local vets countless times and to Ucd. Dog nappy was only recommended thing to me.

He's got a made den in the back yard and his two brothers for warmth n company but I want him in more anyway and to have as much freedom as possible.

Knine wrote: »

I take it he has been to the vet etc? Have you tried the male dog belly band? It is designed to stop a male dog marking, it might be more comfortable then the dog nappy.

Keeping him outdoors with his health issues & age might make him worse. Could you restrict him to an area of the house that is easy to clean up?

blaaah

It's when he initially lys down or when he gets up some comes out. Bearly any once he's walking around or resting.

DBB wrote: »

Is he dribbling whilst asleep or lying down? Or when he's standing up or walking around?
Also echo knine's query as to whether your vet has recommended anything?

blaaah

Tried this but he's up and about quiet a bit so it's hard to keep him in certain areas. I just end up cleaning lots of places.

tk123 wrote: »

Could you maybe use puppy pads where he lies down or the bigger bed/sleep mats you can get for kid when they're potty training? Or a few pieces of vet bed even?

blaaah

Ha all good. No tablets can work as its an injury pushing onto the bladder. It's a long story for the route he's had to go down. I'm just happy he's still here alive n kicking.

DBB wrote: »

Duh... Have just seen that he dribbles both lying down and standing up... That's what I get for speed-reading
The puppy pee pads are great for lying-down dribbling dogs... I sandwich them between two fleeces just for the comfort factor. Even the cheap ones in Dealz and other discount stores are really good. You may have to use a couple of them at a time in a big bed... Or you could get kid's bed-wetting pads which are bigger, but more pricey.
As for the peeing whilst standing up... The nappies or similar is all I can think of.
But I'm wondering has the vet discounted incontinence meds for some reason?

aonb

If hes only leaking a little bit or as you said "tt's when he initially lys down or when he gets up some comes out. Bearly any once he's walking around or resting" - then it sounds like its going to be very manageable?

My old boy was incontinent - he would leak a small amount where-ever. He was nearly 17 when it started, so our solution was, to remove any rugs/mats from the wooden/tiled floors. We had bottles of anti-bacterial spray with a roll of paper towel in all the rooms of the house he was allowed in. When he leaked, we cleaned it up, zero fuss. Really, whats a few drops of urine when your beloved elderly dog is happy??

Our other problem was with our dogs bedding getting wet. We Got a sheet of vet bed (soft but very easy to wash/dry), cut it into 4, and two dog-beds that had a waterproof cover, that we put the vet bed over (he also had arthritis so needed soft bed) - like these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ET6QYBK/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00ET6QYBK&linkCode=as2&tag=seniortw-20&linkId=BLF7N2UGWGVFCZUF

we would wash the vet bed every day, and change to a clean one. The waterproof dog-beds got a wipe with a damp cloth and spray every morning. All part of the morning chores.

Bring your dog indoors. Learn to live with cleaning up - its a pain, but not a big deal. If you have tiles/wood floors, its simple to clean up after him. I never needed diapers or the bands with my guy, but heres some other links that might help.

http://www.handicappedpets.com/sleepee-time-bed-for-incontinent-pets



http://dogtime.com/puppies/1173-urinary-incontinence-vin

we had our old guy for about 18 months after his incontinence started. Yes a nuisance, and a pain and a chore, but his last years were good, we loved him to bits, and it was worth the effort, to have him around.

blaaah

I would of had to put him through major surgery and chances ain't great for it to be repaired. Ucd wanted to do it but after I got 4 other opinions plus one of the Ucd vets who all advised against it. He's still a Rottie n proud n so on so I said no to it as he was 8 at the time.

I'll show this to my vet next week and see what they think, thank you for the research. Yeh I wanna keep him in that's what lead me to boards for help. He's got two brothers out the back for company but it's not enough for me.

ElKavo wrote: »

Just thinking out loud but, isn't there an op that can be carried out on humans at least, that can tighten the sphincter muscle on the bladder? ... I did a bit of the google and there has been some work on dogs in the same area, perhaps your vet hasn't heard of it. here is an abstract of the study, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9123813 in the seven dogs treated 12m- 49 month follow ups resulted in 3 dogs responding excellently 3 responding as good and 1 as poor. They would seem to be good odds to me. Now at 9 YO your chap is old in Rottie terms but if he still has a good standard of living and no underlying medical conditions it may be worth investigating further. If it is just to make him more comfortable and minimize the mess as much as possible then you have some great suggestions above, Vaseline over the effected area should stop urine sitting on the sores and let them heal up. Is there anything that can be done for the injured area that could help to stop the cause?

Best of luck either way, all Rotties deserve a bit of love, it would kill me to have my guys out the back at that time of their lives.

blaaah

This is just peace of mind to the passive aggressive and guilt trip posts. I had a den built in my backyard to house 3 large dogs. The den I put in a ventilation system and also heater installed for winters. Padding beds that go well on the raised wooden floor also.

I feel like an image of a freezing dog cowering for shelter during winter months is how "outside" is being viewed so I hope I've rested those dog loving fears and put them to bed.

bpmurray

I had a terrier who hurt her back and became doubly incontinent because of it. She lived on for another 6 years, but she needed to be washed every day because of the dribbling, although I'm thankful she didn't suffer from the runs even once in that period. Eventually her back legs gave way completely and she was in pain, so that was that. However, it was OK to have her in the house - she dribbled and smelled, but the "eggs" she laid were when she was walking around, so it wasn't a problem inside.

ElKavo

blaaah wrote: »

This is just peace of mind to the passive aggressive and guilt trip posts. I had a den built in my backyard to house 3 large dogs. The den I put in a ventilation system and also heater installed for winters. Padding beds that go well on the raised wooden floor also.

I feel like an image of a freezing dog cowering for shelter during winter months is how "outside" is being viewed so I hope I've rested those dog loving fears and put them to bed.

God I hope my post didn't come across like that. I was just saying it is a tough time for you both. Best of luck.:)

blaaah

You were very helpful thanks so much.

ElKavo wrote: »

God I hope my post didn't come across like that. I was just saying it is a tough time for you both. Best of luck.:)

Ashbx

Hi OP, my 7 year old collie recently had a similar problem. No injury but was peeing herself. I brought her to the vet and the vet gave me hormones. He said many female adult dogs who are neutered tend to lose control of their sphincter muscle in their bladder.

I initially used the tablets every day and started cutting them down after a week. Now, I am only giving her one every 5 days and it has stopped the peeing altogether. Tablets are not hugely expensive. Unfortunately, she will be on them for life but hoping to reduce the dosage to just one every week.

The main reason why my vet thought this was the problem was because she kept doing it in her bed and on the couches...places she NEVER went before. Its usually when the dogs are their most relaxed (i.e. sleeping) that their sphincter muscle starts to relax.

This may not be what your guy has but definitely worth thinking about if the peeing continues.