Budget 2017 - Motors forum predictions/reactions

Special Circumstances

So... what do we face?

Some news outlets seem to be framing some diesel pain in light of the VW emissions cheats (as if VW somehow made clean diesel into dirty diesel), will it be a levy like Gormley put on that awful dirty petrol? Will it be an excuse for a general swipe at the low rate of tax on CO2 emissions cars?

It has been a while since either fuel was it, will both be hit equally?

Will they ever un-wind the market from a skewed rating system that favours higher PM/NOx emitting cars?

Gentlemen, start your engines!

dashoonage

I drive a TDI.....im getting the ride lads!!!!!!

Del2005

Special Circumstances wrote: »

So... what do we face?

Some news outlets seem to be framing some diesel pain in light of the VW emissions cheats (as if VW somehow made clean diesel into dirty diesel), will it be a levy like Gormley put on that awful dirty petrol? Will it be an excuse for a general swipe at the low rate of tax on CO2 emissions cars?

It has been a while since either fuel was it, will both be hit equally?

Will they ever un-wind the market from a skewed rating system that favours higher PM/NOx emitting cars?

Gentlemen, start your engines!

There never was clean diesel. It emits lower CO2 which may kill you in a few years or more, but the stuff that kills you today it produces much more.

They'll increase the diesel tax to petrol levels over the next few years. And most likely increase VRT and tax rates to recoup the money lost on manufacturers making less CO2 emitting vehicles.

Special Circumstances

That would be my take on it too Del2005.
Although I was trying to avoid the "clean diesel" debate this time. To give VW credit, it seems unfair to me that they seem to be demonised by news outlets and the public for making something that was clean into something dirty... when in reality they just "broke the spell".

Henry Ford III

There'll be no motor insurance premium transparency for sure.

testicles

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Mc Love

The M20? Sort of motor related.

Cheensbo

They're gonna change motor tax on pre 2008 vehicles to the emissions levels picked up at nct time.

I'm off to apply for a mortgage :pac:


Honestly though, I can see a few cents added to diesel, one or two to petrol and not much change to taxes.

Ron Burgundy II

I think petrol and diesel won't be touched in this budget. Cigarettes will see an increase.

Maybe motor tax might see an increase?

twin_beacon

can't see fuel being touched at all as they are focusing on USC cuts to help the squeezed middle. I'd say smokes and alcohol will get the increases.

2c a litre on diesel for the next few budgets until parity with petrol is what I've read.

Mc Love

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

I think petrol and diesel won't be touched in this budget. Cigarettes will see an increase.

Maybe motor tax might see an increase?

They wont touch ciggies as they'll be losing money if they do.

Kristopherus

Mc Love wrote: »

They wont touch ciggies as they'll be losing money if they do.

30 cent on them, and rightly so.

twin_beacon

Mc Love wrote: »

They wont touch ciggies as they'll be losing money if they do.

correct, however its short term loss for long term gain. Having less smokers reduces the strain on the health system, and less money being pumped into it.

Kristopherus wrote: »

30 cent on them, and rightly so.

reports this morning saying it could be as high as 50c!

fancy pigeon

Kristopherus wrote: »

30 cent on them, and rightly so.

Despite seeing the damage and health issues first hand (I've watched too many people from older generations deteriorate too fast) I don't think this is the way to address the problem.

Cashing in on an addiction rather than rehabilitating is the way I see it, correct me if I have a wrong view on that though

Special Circumstances

Maybe they could sell them way cheaper if the manufacturers added a practically self certified filtration system that could be easily removed with no follow up testing...

TheDoc

fancy pigeon wrote: »

Despite seeing the damage and health issues first hand (I've watched too many people from older generations deteriorate too fast) I don't think this is the way to address the problem.

Cashing in on an addiction rather than rehabilitating is the way I see it, correct me if I have a wrong view on that though

Just pushes people further and further into black market sales. There is also plenty of alternative brands now which are still comfortably under the €9 mark.

There is literally people around Henry Street and Mary street openly selling sleeves of smokes for €50 a carton.....

Smoking is a conscious choice I make, all the hikes just make me be cuter about what and where I'm buying.


In regards the budget and motoring, don't expect much. The lack of immediate action on the insurance industry, a private entity forging a monopoly on a legal requirement to drive, is shocking.

As will likely be said by numerous commentators today, anything gained today will be absorbed and then some by someones next renewal.

old boy

cisk wrote: »

2c a litre on diesel for the next few budgets until parity with petrol is what I've read.

lord ross is looking for an immediate parity, the problem then is it raises the cost of everything due to the raise in transport costs, the end line is goverments everywhere need high fuel prices as an earner

shietpilot

I don't think we'll see any changes to motor tax. Fuel might be a different issue though.

DakarVert

twin_beacon wrote: »

correct, however its short term loss for long term gain. Having less smokers reduces the strain on the health system, and less money being pumped into it.



reports this morning saying it could be as high as 50c!

€11 for 20 now.

testicles

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Special Circumstances

testicles wrote: »

Here was me thinking this was the motors forum!

Been a bit of a nonevent all round as far as I can see. Bad if you smoke. Good if you have sheep. Neutral for motorists? Unless there's anything hidden in the fine print.

twin_beacon

yea, not really much worth writing home about. The reduction in USC, 10c increase in minimum wage, and increase in social welfare were all small, and already leaked so there was no shock. I don't think people were expecting much anyway.

Special Circumstances

I do feel like I'm missing out by not having any sheep though.

dashoonage

Special Circumstances wrote: »

I do feel like I'm missing out by not having any sheep though.

Go way outta that! youve had plenty id say.

deathtocaptcha

good news for electric cars.... particularly the Tesla 3 due out next year...

VRT relief on them until 2022... which means it'll be possible to import a Tesla 3 / Model S from the UK at a steep discount...

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dashoonage wrote: »

Go way outta that! youve had plenty id say.

Tempting to bundle em into the Rover on the way round Molls Gap alright.

mickdw

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Maybe they could sell them way cheaper if the manufacturers added a practically self certified filtration system that could be easily removed with no follow up testing...

And if that filtration was proven to not be as good as promised, they could just offer smokers an empty plastic air flow improvement device to draw the smoke through with the promise that the cigarette will last the same, taste the same, be just as strong and cost the same but will be much less harmful.

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mickdw wrote: »

And if that filtration was proven to not be as good as promised, they could just offer smokers an empty plastic air flow improvement device to draw the smoke through with the promise that the cigarette will last the same, taste the same, be just as strong and cost the same but will be much less harmful.

Stop, you're killing me hahaha... cough cough hokkk splutter cough cough.. no seriously.

No smoking but ball on with the diesel engines everywhere! Sure tid CO2 is the real enemy!