The, Is this car much good Thread.

Waffletraktor

In the vein of the farm van, looking for peoples recommendations.
Currently looking to buy a 12-18 month old family car saloon/estate.
Current list starts and ends with a 15month toyota avensis estate 2.0l diesel, yay or nay or what cars are good these days?

I said

Hyundai i40 diesel miser on the juice and a big lump of a car

Bullocks

Bought a 2013 Skoda superb last week and very happy with it so far . I don't know the economy of it but it seems good and very comfortable. Plenty of airbags aswell if your thinking of safety

selectamatic

The Avensis is as it's generally always been, a solid reliable car. At that age you'll have the last of the toyota 2.0 d4d 1adftv good robust engine which since it underwent some revisions from about 2012 on has outstanding reliability. Get one in a good spec and they're a lovely car, problem is many in ireland are base spec. My folks at home have a top spec saloon and many people are surprised by the interior when they sit into it for the first time.

Some decent estates on offer from the various vag marques just research whatever model you fancy thoroughly as some engines had reliability issues, also you have the emissions craic but tbh that wouldn't bother me and it doesn't seem to be bothering too many other people in Ireland either.

Good value to be had with kia and hyundai but depreciation can be an issue and reliability was an issue up to 2011/12 particularly with clutches.

With any modern diesel the big question is will your driving situation suit the car pottering around on small start stop journeys can lead to dpf and egr issues, in short diesels need to be driven.
Some are more tolerant then others to shorter journeys but petrol cars shouldn't be ignored if your annual milage is low to average however 2nd hand examples are thin on the ground thanks to the ridiculous post 2008 tax regime and the push for "environmentally friendly diesels".

Genghis Cant

Interesting thread idea. I too was in the market lately for an estate car. I liked the look of the i40 and drove several 12/13 models. A lot of room in them and nice enough to drive I thought but a tad noisy inside. I didn't go for one in the end as I think they're a bit of an unknown and resale value might tale a hit.
The fleet of them the Gardai have at the minute will surely raise their profile.

James Bond Junior

An i40 is a lot of things but a miser on diesel is not one of them. A colleague has a qashqai and loves it.

I said

James Bond Junior wrote: »

An i40 is a lot of things but a miser on diesel is not one of them. A colleague has a qashqai and loves it.

Big 65 litre tank am getting 1k for the fill every 11/12days.I have driven lots of different diesels and I do a lot of mileage most economical by far.

colm_mcm

That's 43mpg, which doesnt sound that great, it depends on what sort of driving you're doing of course.

I said

colm_mcm wrote: »

That's 43mpg, which doesnt sound that great, it depends on what sort of driving you're doing of course.

I'd have a heavy foot

colm_mcm

You must have, I get that mpg on my 1.8 petrol!

tanko

Real farmers drive an Octavia diesel:pac:

mayota

tanko wrote: »

Real farmers drive an Octavia diesel:pac:

Alright Barry ðŸ˜

Never wrestle with pigs

Toyota is a solid car all round and very reliable.

If doing long trips one if the vags are probably better. More power, comfort and a slightly heavier, I like a heavier car on the road, feels more stable.

The Korean stuff is ok. Basically Mitsubishi but more plastic. It is what it is, reliable with the personality of a gate post.

James Bond Junior

I said wrote: »

Big 65 litre tank am getting 1k for the fill every 11/12days.I have driven lots of different diesels and I do a lot of mileage most economical by far.

I know someone running a 100 plus sized fleet of cars and small vans. He got i40s and said never again as the diesel bill went through the roof.

selectamatic

tanko wrote: »

Real farmers drive an Octavia diesel:pac:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-octavia-1-9-diesel-estate-2008/12885055

Last of the true great farmer estate cars, early noughties tdi technology with the added sweetener of chape tax

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Never wrestle with pigs

James Bond Junior wrote: »

I know someone running a 100 plus sized fleet of cars and small vans. He got i40s and said never again as the diesel bill went through the roof.

Any Korean or jap car runs nearly 500/800 rpm higher at 100/120 kph so that's where they suck the juce.

charolais0153

The parents have a qashqai and it does 58mpg. My sisters Ford focus does 60 and is nicer car

_Brian

Herself has a 2010 Mondeo 2L tdci and it's a fantastic car, powerful, roomy, 50+ mpg, handles the road fantastic, only downside for me is driving position and seats with my bad back.

I recently bought a VW Tiguan, 2L 4wd. Love the driving position, good pulling power, with handy tipping about getting 45mpg, boot isn't the biggest.

Sister has an i40, drive it to Sligo and back and hated every minute, everything felt cheap, and it was loose and unconnected to drive, really disappointing. There's also a recall ongoing with engine block problems consuming water, 151 1.7 diesels.

_Brian

I test drove a skoda Octavia scout, it's a 140bhp 4wd version, was a real nice car to drive and plenty of space for the family, 4 inches extra ground clearance. Not very common but nice. Pity I couldn't strike a deal and I'd consider one in the future.

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

I test drove a skoda Octavia scout, it's a 140bhp 4wd version, was a real nice car to drive and plenty of space for the family, 4 inches extra ground clearance. Not very common but nice. Pity I couldn't strike a deal and I'd consider one in the future.

Too tight on the money were ya

Green farmer

_Brian wrote: »

I

Pity I couldn't strike a deal and I'd consider one in the future.

Was trying to change my car a while back. Found a car I really wanted but couldn't strike a deal either. Some dealers want a 5k profit on every deal and unless they get it won't do business.

Bass Reeves

Unless you are doing high mileage I be looking at petrol. Petrol car's are coming back in to fashion again. From what I understand dealers are doing good deals on new petrol cars. I want to be hitting nearly 40K/year before I buy diesel.

If you are spending that kind of money on a car OP especially if not trading in anything or have a real low value car to trade I be taking a trip across the sea to have a look at cars.

_Brian

Reggie. wrote: »

Too tight on the money were ya

Buying from a dealer and he wouldn't offer any warranty nor shift on price, he doesn't get to have it both ways, I walked away, he still has the car.

Insp. Harry Callahan

I bought a skoda yeti at the start of the year, find it a great car, high driving position, 45-50 mpg 1.6 diesel, 200 euro tax.

If buying a car consider going for a low tax model, like a 1.6 diesel you get much better tax relief if it an 08 onwards,24000 no matter what price the car is to buy

whelan2

My dad had a skoda superb, honestly the most comfortable,roomy car I have ever been in. He traded it in earlier in the year as it was too big for them now

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

Buying from a dealer and he wouldn't offer any warranty nor shift on price, he doesn't get to have it both ways, I walked away, he still has the car.

****ing sure

mythos110

I have an 1.6tdi 2011 Octavia diesel which I drove as a company car for 3 years (195k km). Bought it off them for the missus when we had a sprog, as the boot was so much bigger than her Auris at the time. It has 230k km on the clock now and literally has never given an ounce of trouble in the 5 years to date.

Driving a 1.6 Passat now but reckon that the Octavia is better package. Passat is a bit heavy for the smaller engine but is much quieter on longer drives (spend about 3 hours a day in it!)

Brother has a '16 Qashqui 4wd but the boot is shocking small on them.

PN14

Unless you have decent mileage to do, or at least regular longer runs, diesel engines are probably not a good option if you are keeping car long term. Issues with dpf's etc which are expensive fixes.

Older diesels were the preserve of famers back in the day for towing etc but these had none of the egr's & dpf's on most modern diesels to cut emissions. Most diesels of the last decade need to get up to operating temperature for 15/20 mins every so often to clean out these filters.

With currents regs on trailer loading etc towing heavy trailers is legally not a option with most cars now generally 1.5tns including trailer braked. So therefore having a larger diesel engine for towing / torque not really a requirement any more.

Also on short runs, kids to school, shops, co op etc diesels are not fuel efficient. Petrol much more suitable for these trips. Petrol engines have less to go wrong with them generally and are usually cheaper fixes. On stop start journeys diesels would be lucky to break average of 40mpg. Most modern petrol's will get a lot of that. On longer runs most diesels now will get into the 50's mpg.

Problem is it is hard to get larger cars in petrol format since 2008 due to tax issues.

Depends on how long you want to keep cars etc. Petrol cheaper to buy but worth less after a period. Diesel dearer to buy will prob sell easier but if not being used appropriately may have big repair bills.

Timmaay

On the lookout for an 09 seat leon diesel at the minute, with the way the sterling is I'm very likely to head over to the UK for one (much better choice, and always cleaner and better minded than here!). Flight over something around 30/40euros, get the seller to meet me at the airport, drive to the boat, which is about 120e. Vrt tends to be reasonable enough once ya can get something in the tax band c or lower.

Seaba

Driving a 08 Skoda Octavia Diesel 1.9 - get 62 mpg driving at the speed limits (missus drives it likes she stole it and it drops dramatically)

Did a lot of research before I bought it, and asked a lot of people, especially mechanics and the majority said all "family" cars have their faults but it has the least.
Never given me a days trouble in 5 years <jinx>

Sam Kade

charolais0153 wrote: »

The parents have a qashqai and it does 58mpg. My sisters Ford focus does 60 and is nicer car

My mechanic the qashqai are starting to give trouble and aren't cheap to fix.

Waffletraktor

Thanks for everyones input, a few more added to the list to look at.
Dont need a crossover/suv thing as have 2 pickups with the job which workers wil rarely borrow the newer one for a weekend with family etc..
etc.
Car is primarily for herself, mostly main road driving with a little go about it.

Bass Reeves

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Thanks for everyones input, a few more added to the list to look at.
Dont need a crossover/suv thing as have 2 pickups with the job which workers wil rarely borrow the newer one for a weekend with family etc..
etc.
Car is primarily for herself, mostly main road driving with a little go about it.

I would seriously look at buying a new petrol car. Most 12-18 month old diesels will cost you as much and you may have maintenance issues down the line with diesel. You will have a way bigger choice of cars.

mfceiling

tanko wrote: »

Real farmers drive an Octavia diesel:pac:

You spelt Toyota Carina wrong...

zetecescort

mfceiling wrote: »

You spelt Toyota Carina wrong...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi0VPE6PDP8

Timmaay

Sam Kade wrote: »

My mechanic the qashqai are starting to give trouble and aren't cheap to fix.

Folks have a qashqai, it hasn't given a bit of bother ever, only thing it's needed in its 80kmiles is a new clutch, which is zero surprise given the way my mum rides the clutch haha.

Sam Kade

Timmaay wrote: »

Folks have a qashqai, it hasn't given a bit of bother ever, only thing it's needed in its 80kmiles is a new clutch, which is zero surprise given the way my mum rides the clutch haha.

He said something that went and cost 2k for parts, the same man knows his stuff and doesn't over charge, you buy the parts and he'll replace.

Timmaay

Sam Kade wrote: »

He said something that went and cost 2k for parts, the same man knows his stuff and doesn't over charge, you buy the parts and he'll replace.

It's the reality of all modern diesel cars unfortunately, which have become more and more complicated in order to meet the stricter emissions legislations, things like the DPF, dual mass flywheel, EGR valve, high pressure injectors, variable valve turbos. A 2k repair bill is often the lower end for many repair jobs for the above. Modern diesel BMWs are well known for snapping the timing chain also, leaving you with a nice 5k or so repair bill, or just engine replacement job! Definitely all needs to be thought about while your at the mercy of whatever car dealer harping on about how brilliant it will be for you to be only paying 200e motor tax etc ha.

Reggie.

Timmaay wrote: »

It's the reality of all modern diesel cars unfortunately, which have become more and more complicated in order to meet the stricter emissions legislations, things like the DPF, dual mass flywheel, EGR valve, high pressure injectors, variable valve turbos. A 2k repair bill is often the lower end for many repair jobs for the above. Modern diesel BMWs are well known for snapping the timing chain also, leaving you with a nice 5k or so repair bill, or just engine replacement job! Definitely all needs to be thought about while your at the mercy of whatever car dealer harping on about how brilliant it will be for you to be only paying 200e motor tax etc ha.

ain't that true

Bass Reeves

Timmaay wrote: »

It's the reality of all modern diesel cars unfortunately, which have become more and more complicated in order to meet the stricter emissions legislations, things like the DPF, dual mass flywheel, EGR valve, high pressure injectors, variable valve turbos. A 2k repair bill is often the lower end for many repair jobs for the above. Modern diesel BMWs are well known for snapping the timing chain also, leaving you with a nice 5k or so repair bill, or just engine replacement job! Definitely all needs to be thought about while your at the mercy of whatever car dealer harping on about how brilliant it will be for you to be only paying 200e motor tax etc ha.

You also have issue with replacinf engine head gaskets. Not only is the head of the engine aluminium but underneath the head of the engine is also aluminium. This means that both have to be skimmed ideally. Head gaskets issue are becomining more common and cost 2K to get done right.

Keys are another issue with cars. If you need a replacment key fob you are looking at 200 euro+ in most cases some are heading for 500 euro.

twin_beacon

Bullocks wrote: »

Bought a 2013 Skoda superb last week and very happy with it so far . I don't know the economy of it but it seems good and very comfortable. Plenty of airbags aswell if your thinking of safety

I got a '12 1.6 superb in June. Love it, I do a lot of fishing so the large boot comes in very handy, its also a hatchback so you can use "all" of the boot.
Economy is good, I average around 55mpg.

tanko wrote: »

Real farmers drive an Octavia diesel

I can't disagree. My dad has had 5 octavias since 2000. No problems at all, and they really earned their keep!

I said

tanko wrote: »

Real farmers drive an Octavia diesel:pac:

The Peugeot 504 2.3lt diesel now that was a farmers car if ye are old enough to remember.

inthepit

I said wrote: »

The Peugeot 504 2.3lt diesel now that was a farmers car if ye are old enough to remember.

They are still hauling mad Arabs with machine guns around the deserts.

farmerjj

twin_beacon wrote: »

I got a '12 1.6 superb in June. Love it, I do a lot of fishing so the large boot comes in very handy, its also a hatchback so you can use "all" of the boot.
Economy is good, I average around 55mpg.


I can't disagree. My dad has had 5 octavias since 2000. No problems at all, and they really earned their keep!

5since 2000, why so many in such a short period??

Buford T. Justice XIX

inthepit wrote: »

They are still hauling mad Arabs with machine guns around the deserts.

No change for them so :pac:

twin_beacon

farmerjj wrote: »

5since 2000, why so many in such a short period??

Shur if you didn't change the car every 2 years during the celtic Tiger something was wrong! The 06 octavia (bought new) was kept for 8 years. Animal milage when it was trades. Still had original clutch and flywheel.

Waffletraktor

Up dating the farm pick-up/jeep. Have an 08 and 13 plate ford rangers atm, probably keep the 13 plate.
Anyone been in a newish 5 seat, 3 ton+ towing, off-roadable vehicle they liked latelly that wasn't another ranger?
30k km per annum traveled, occasionally towing 1,500l fuel bowser or 2 tons on an ifor flatbed.