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  • 09-10-2016 6:06pm
    #1
    shugy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 409 ✭✭


    Don't think this is a structural issue as I know no structural questions can be asked. This is just in the thinking process because won't have the money until next spring.

    What my question is - my wife wants some stone work on front of the house. House built in boom and already plastered. Have an 8 inch overhang and thinking maybe 6inch of stone. We want to know, will we have to remove cills and replace with new longer type so overhangs the stone or can we use the new EWI cills instead of all that work replacing old with new concrete cill. We've been told that the EWI cills can just be placed over concrete cill tgen it's just a matter of building stone around them.


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  • #2
    893bet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,600 ✭✭✭893bet


    How will you tie the 6 inch of stone in to the wall?

    I would have a look at "thin stone".


  • #3
    Poor Uncle Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    http://www.centurystone.ie/images/stories/downloads/2012/E-Brochure-2012.pdf

    Something like this would probably suit best...


  • #4
    shugy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 409 ✭✭shugy


    893bet wrote: »
    How will you tie the 6 inch of stone in to the wall?

    I would have a look at "thin stone".

    Same way as if they'd be tied into wall with thicker stone, with stainless steel L ties and masonry nails. Maybe 2inch of motar mixed with broken stone and 4inch(ish) thick stone.


  • #5
    shugy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 409 ✭✭shugy


    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    http://www.centurystone.ie/images/stories/downloads/2012/E-Brochure-2012.pdf

    Something like this would probably suit best...

    No, don't like it. We've already a wall built some years ago in stone. Want face of my bungalow in same stone. It's the cills I'm more interested in.


  • #6
    Poor Uncle Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    shugy wrote: »
    No, don't like it. We've already a wall built some years ago in stone. Want face of my bungalow in same stone. It's the cills I'm more interested in.

    I'd be more interested in the foundations, will someone certify the existing fdt's to take the new loading?


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  • #7
    shugy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 409 ✭✭shugy


    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    I'd be more interested in the foundations, will someone certify the existing fdt's to take the new loading?

    I will put new foundations in if needs be. Sure it's only 15m long


  • #8
    D_D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭D_D


    shugy wrote: »
    I will put new foundations in if needs be. Sure it's only 15m long

    Your existing foundations are probably a strip footing, you can't just 'add' to their existing width and expect them to do more work.


  • #9
    shugy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 409 ✭✭shugy


    D_D wrote: »
    Your existing foundations are probably a strip footing, you can't just 'add' to their existing width and expect them to do more work.

    What are you talking about! So your trying to tell me if I dig down a ft and half or 2 ft by 1ft and half and fill with concrete, it won't hold a few ton if stone! I have large windows also so not much stone as one would think. If the stone was tied into existing block with stainless steel L ties every 400mm, then I can't see it going anywhere ever!!

    What I want to know and reason for this thread is the sills. I'm not looking foundation advice. I'll leave this for the experts


  • #10
    madmac187
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭madmac187


    That's not the easiest thing to do. Add to existing and entire front of foundation could be affected and snap/craic. If dowel slab, L tie wall and it could have differential settlement and it could pull the front off house being dramatic but could crack all gable ends. Could potentially need an engineered solution. Personally I'd leave it .


  • #11
    shugy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 409 ✭✭shugy


    madmac187 wrote: »
    That's not the easiest thing to do. Add to existing and entire front of foundation could be affected and snap/craic. If dowel slab, L tie wall and it could have differential settlement and it could pull the front off house being dramatic but could crack all gable ends. Could potentially need an engineered solution. Personally I'd leave it .



    Forgot for a sec what the internet was like for asking questions lol. I shouldn't have even bothered because was in 2 minds to post it here because I knew I'd get stupid answers like this lol. Sure we might aswell build a reinforced concrete structure over the house just incase a plane gits it ffs.

    Now to answer your stupid post. Are you trying to tell me that stone sitting plumb up against a plumb wall sitting in 2ft concrete that's on top of solid ground, tied into a house where all block walls are all tied into each other with a roof on top is actually going to pull the gables apart lol. Listen, I'm away to get my coat because the world's gone mad lol. Ask a question about window sills and get answers that the gables are going to get pulled down llf.


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  • #12
    madmac187
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭madmac187


    I give up lol


  • #13
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    shugy wrote: »
    Forgot for a sec what the internet was like for asking questions lol. I shouldn't have even bothered because was in 2 minds to post it here because I knew I'd get stupid answers like this lol. Sure we might aswell build a reinforced concrete structure over the house just incase a plane gits it ffs.

    Now to answer your stupid post. Are you trying to tell me that stone sitting plumb up against a plumb wall sitting in 2ft concrete that's on top of solid ground, tied into a house where all block walls are all tied into each other with a roof on top is actually going to pull the gables apart lol. Listen, I'm away to get my coat because the world's gone mad lol. Ask a question about window sills and get answers that the gables are going to get pulled down llf.

    the irony of the thread title, verse the posting style!

    As per the forum charter we cannot discuss or give structural advice

    Have a week off for abusing another poster

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055036302


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