Becoming Irish

Xcellor

I'd never given it a great deal of thought until Brexit happened. I've been living in Ireland since 1990 the majority of my life and I'd consider myself more Irish than Scottish... I can apply to be Irish through naturalization but it costs over 1k. If it was free I'd do it tomorrow.

The issue is if UK takes a hard line on immigration, Europe would be forced to reply in kind. Does that mean I get kicked out of Ireland? Will I have to apply for residency? Wait in long queues in airports to enter Europe? Maybe Scotland will negotiate another deal with Europe. Maybe Scotland will exit the union... but then what happens with my British passport...

One theory I've heard is that the PM of UK will wait till the last minute and try and get serious concessions from EU and then say "the situation has changed what we've been offered is vastly different from what was on offer when the referendum was run last." UK votes again and votes to stay...

Shenshen

Xcellor wrote: »

I'd never given it a great deal of thought until Brexit happened. I've been living in Ireland since 1990 the majority of my life and I'd consider myself more Irish than Scottish... I can apply to be Irish through naturalization but it costs over 1k. If it was free I'd do it tomorrow.

The issue is if UK takes a hard line on immigration, Europe would be forced to reply in kind. Does that mean I get kicked out of Ireland? Will I have to apply for residency? Wait in long queues in airports to enter Europe? Maybe Scotland will negotiate another deal with Europe. Maybe Scotland will exit the union... but then what happens with my British passport...

One theory I've heard is that the PM of UK will wait till the last minute and try and get serious concessions from EU and then say "the situation has changed what we've been offered is vastly different from what was on offer when the referendum was run last." UK votes again and votes to stay...

I wouldn't hold my breath for that last scenario there.
There were some noises being made early on right after the referendum that the Irish and UK agreement for people of either country to freely decided where they want to live and work will remain in place, as it predates the EU.
But you would be facing the long queues and restrictions for everywhere else you'd want to go, yes.

As for Scotland - I'm very curious to see what they'll do.

Letree

Because of Northern Ireland and the right of people there to be both Irish and British. There will always be an agreement between the UK and Ireland that allows free movement. It would get too messy otherwise. E.g If you are an Irish passport holder from Belfast. How could you be refused entry to mainland UK.

biko

Scotland is in UK so must leave too.

If you feel that Irish, how about splashing out the cash to prove it and become naturalised?

freedominacup

Letree wrote: »

Because of Northern Ireland and the right of people there to be both Irish and British. There will always be an agreement between the UK and Ireland that allows free movement. It would get too messy otherwise. E.g If you are an Irish passport holder from Belfast. How could you be refused entry to mainland UK.

Nope. There was always an agreement. There won't be after brexit. The question is more if you are a British passport holder from Belfast how could you be asked to present a passport when entering mainland UK. It would be expected that any passport holder would be asked to present their passport when entering the UK (post brexit) from another country such as crossing the land border between here and northern Ireland.

JJEire

The last time a group of Scots came over here to become Irish and it didn't work out too well for us.

Arthur.beaker

How does one 'become Irish'?

Creol1

Xcellor wrote: »

I'd never given it a great deal of thought until Brexit happened. I've been living in Ireland since 1990 the majority of my life and I'd consider myself more Irish than Scottish... I can apply to be Irish through naturalization but it costs over 1k. If it was free I'd do it tomorrow.

The issue is if UK takes a hard line on immigration, Europe would be forced to reply in kind. Does that mean I get kicked out of Ireland? Will I have to apply for residency? Wait in long queues in airports to enter Europe? Maybe Scotland will negotiate another deal with Europe. Maybe Scotland will exit the union... but then what happens with my British passport...

One theory I've heard is that the PM of UK will wait till the last minute and try and get serious concessions from EU and then say "the situation has changed what we've been offered is vastly different from what was on offer when the referendum was run last." UK votes again and votes to stay...

I presume you have no Irish parents or grandparents? If so, you could acquire citizenship automatically (in the first case) or through foreign birth registration (in the case of grandparents).

corner of hells

Maybe we could have a whip around and raise the cash for the OP.

We could all own a share in him.

MeatTwoVeg

Xcellor wrote:

I'd never given it a great deal of thought until Brexit happened. I've been living in Ireland since 1990 the majority of my life and I'd consider myself more Irish than Scottish... I can apply to be Irish through naturalization but it costs over 1k. If it was free I'd do it tomorrow.

Cheap at twice the price.

People will stop considering you a mean bastard who won't buy his round and will instead think of you as 'great craic altogether'.

Del2005

Letree wrote: »

Because of Northern Ireland and the right of people there to be both Irish and British. There will always be an agreement between the UK and Ireland that allows free movement. It would get too messy otherwise. E.g If you are an Irish passport holder from Belfast. How could you be refused entry to mainland UK.

The status of the land boarder between the EU and UK will not be decided by Ireland or the UK. It'll be decided between the EU and UK and if the rethoric from the current UK PM is kept up I guarantee that what happens on this island won't be what's been mentioned so far by any politician.

Xcellor

Even if I naturalize myself I still won't be recognised as Irish which is a shame. I never managed to pick up the accent despite going into 3rd class national school in Longford.

Having two passports would be cool though...

I think 1k is a crazy amount of money. I have paid taxes all my adult life...

biko

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

How does one 'become Irish'?

At every meal you ask for extra spuds because you're famished.

CMOTDibbler

Xcellor wrote: »

Even if I naturalize myself I still won't be recognised as Irish which is a shame. I never managed to pick up the accent despite going into 3rd class national school in Longford.

Having two passports would be cool though...

I think 1k is a crazy amount of money. I have paid taxes all my adult life...

Ah, but you don't have to be Irish to do that

It only costs €175 to apply...


But if you are successful, you have to fork over €950 for your cert. :eek:

Still, it'll last forever. Then you'll only have to pay for passports.

NikoTopps

I was born in Russia, lived there when I was little and then moved here with my Mam. We are both naturalised citizens of Éire. It was worth every cent spent, honestly. This is an amazing place.

corner of hells

NikoTopps wrote: »

I was born in Russia, lived there when I was little and then moved here with my Mam. We are both naturalised citizens of Éire. It was worth every cent spent, honestly. This is an amazing place.

"Drops monocle".

Letree

freedominacup wrote: »

Nope. There was always an agreement. There won't be after brexit. The question is more if you are a British passport holder from Belfast how could you be asked to present a passport when entering mainland UK. It would be expected that any passport holder would be asked to present their passport when entering the UK (post brexit) from another country such as crossing the land border between here and northern Ireland.

He wasn't enquiring about being made show a passport. He was enquiring about being able to stay in Ireland. Irish people will be able to live and work in UK and UK people will be able to continue work and live in Ireland. This won't change for our two countries after brexit.

Alun

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

It only costs €175 to apply...

But if you are successful, you have to fork over €950 for your cert. :eek:

... and if you make even the slightest mistake in your application, you forfeit the €175 and have to start all over again!

The form you have to fill in looks like it was designed by a schoolchild using MS Paint in the 1980's too.

nullzero

Typical Scotsman, too tight to spend the thousand quid.
I think you're still far more Scottish than Irish.

ScumLord

JJEire wrote: »

The last time a group of Scots came over here to become Irish and it didn't work out too well for us.

Probably as bad as the time before that when a load of Irish went over there and created Scotland.

I don't know what Scotland should do. They're not getting a fair deal from their British overlords. But as far as I know Ireland and the UK has pre existing deals and as long as we're not forced to deal as a European bloc Ireland and the UK will likely come to some sort of argument that makes trade and travel as straightforward as possible. I don't see Brits getting kicked out of Ireland, or Irish being kicked out of the UK ever happening.

Letree

ScumLord wrote: »

Probably as bad as the time before that when a load of Irish went over there and created Scotland.

I don't know what Scotland should do. They're not getting a fair deal from their British overlords. But as far as I know Ireland and the UK has pre existing deals and as long as we're not forced to deal as a European bloc Ireland and the UK will likely come to some sort of argument that makes trade and travel as straightforward as possible. I don't see Brits getting kicked out of Ireland, or Irish being kicked out of the UK ever happening.

There is already precedence for deals like that as we don't have the schengan agreement but mainland europe has.

It will be fairly easy to negotiate using the peace process. I wouldn't listen to scaremongering. I would be willing to bet a very very large amount of money that Irish and British people will have no problems working and living in each others countries post brexit.

Xcellor

nullzero wrote: »

Typical Scotsman, too tight to spend the thousand quid.
I think you're still far more Scottish than Irish.

It's not about being mean, 1k is a lot of money to drop..!

A couple of hundred no issues but over 1k for a piece of paper. I probably still have to buy the passport after that

CMOTDibbler

Letree wrote: »

There is already precedence for deals like that as we don't have the schengan agreement but mainland europe has.

Schengen is an opt-in agreement. There's no requirement to be in it. Having a border between the EU and non-EU countries is at the heart of the treaties that bind us. These are not re-negotiable.

Letree wrote: »

It will be fairly easy to negotiate using the peace process. I wouldn't listen to scaremongering. I would be willing to bet a very very large amount of money that Irish and British people will have no problems working and living in each others countries post brexit.

That may well be the case. I'd also be surprised if there were to be any restrictions on working here or the UK. But the cornerstone of Brexit according to Teresa May is immigration. That could present problems if it's a hardline stance.

Maguined

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Schengen is an opt-in agreement. There's no requirement to be in it. Having a border between the EU and non-EU countries is at the heart of the treaties that bind us. These are not re-negotiable.

That may well be the case. I'd also be surprised if there were to be any restrictions on working here or the UK. But the cornerstone of Brexit according to Teresa May is immigration. That could present problems if it's a hardline stance.

There are non EU countries allowed in the Schengen which means having a border between EU and non-EU countries is not at the heart of the treaties.

gandalf

nullzero wrote: »

Typical Scotsman, too tight to spend the thousand quid.
I think you're still far more Scottish than Irish.

He could live in Cavan though, which could explain it

CMOTDibbler

Maguined wrote: »

There are non EU countries allowed in the Schengen which means having a border between EU and non-EU countries is not at the heart of the treaties.

Sorry, yes, that was badly phrased by me. Those countries have also signed up to the free movement of goods and labour which are the cornerstones of the treaties.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Relax, Ireland is not going to be deporting British citizens. Too much scare mongering going on about Brexit.

HensVassal

Xcellor wrote: »

I'd never given it a great deal of thought until Brexit happened. I've been living in Ireland since 1990 the majority of my life and I'd consider myself more Irish than Scottish... I can apply to be Irish through naturalization but it costs over 1k. If it was free I'd do it tomorrow.

The issue is if UK takes a hard line on immigration, Europe would be forced to reply in kind. Does that mean I get kicked out of Ireland? Will I have to apply for residency? Wait in long queues in airports to enter Europe? Maybe Scotland will negotiate another deal with Europe. Maybe Scotland will exit the union... but then what happens with my British passport...

One theory I've heard is that the PM of UK will wait till the last minute and try and get serious concessions from EU and then say "the situation has changed what we've been offered is vastly different from what was on offer when the referendum was run last." UK votes again and votes to stay...

Set up a gofundme page begging for money to become a Mick. Say you'll be sent back to Blighty whereupon you'll be given the William Wallace treatment by the Sasanachs.

Fuckers have raised cash for a damn keg party on that sh1t.

HensVassal

gandalf wrote: »

He could live in Cavan though, which could explain it

A Jewish Scot of Dutch extraction living in Cavan..:eek:

Christ, count your fingers after shaking hands with him :pac:

nullzero

Xcellor wrote: »

It's not about being mean, 1k is a lot of money to drop..!

A couple of hundred no issues but over 1k for a piece of paper. I probably still have to buy the passport after that

I was only joking, a thousand euros does equal a whole lot of deep fried heroin.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Ah lads lay off the Scots. They get it from all angles, English, Irish, Welsh constantly taking the piss out of them.

Why don't ye have a go at the Isle of Mann or somebody for a change.

The_Valeyard

This thread needs some Sean Bean memes

Xcellor

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JJEire

"A couple of hundred no issues but over 1k for a piece of paper. I probably still have to buy the passport after that"

Should add a zero to it. You want to be considered Irish? Then you can pay for the privilege to join the club. An EU/Irish passport is the golden ticket and one of the most powerful passports in the world. We should be very selective in who we give it to and make them pay accordingly.

Capt'n Midnight

You won't get kicked out of Ireland because we are all in the Common travel Area.

Queues for the EU, oh yeah, and they'll rub it in.
The Italians already use the word extracomunitario.

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

How does one 'become Irish'?

A true Scot can already manage the drinking part. Scabbiness could be explained away if by faking a Cavan accent.

The guilt complex and psychosis might take a bit more work though.

Your Face

Maybe Scotland shouldn't have made stupid financial decisions that made a union with England necessary.