uPVC Door and Patio Door Handle

karlitob

Hi all,

Can I fit a uPVC door handle to a patio door.

The back door is a patio and I want to change the lock and handle to something with higher security - is it possible.

Thanks

Wadpie

By patio door do you mean a sliding patio door? Or a French door (Double doors)?

karlitob

Wadpie wrote: »

By patio door do you mean a sliding patio door? Or a French door (Double doors)?

Sliding patio door thanks.

colm_mcm

No. You need to use a lock designed for a patio door.

does the outer or inner leaf slide on your door?

Wadpie

Colm is right. Completely different type of lock

karlitob

colm_mcm wrote: »

No. You need to use a lock designed for a patio door.

does the outer or inner leaf slide on your door?

The outer leaf. Didn't realise that made a difference.

colm_mcm

It does if you want to fit a particular type of secondary lock on the inside that I had in mind for you.

To go back to your first post, by lock you don't just mean the lock cylinder by any chance?

These can be upgraded to higher security ones that resist drilling out or snapping. These would be the same as a normal door cylinder.

karlitob

colm_mcm wrote: »

It does if you want to fit a particular type of secondary lock on the inside that I had in mind for you.

To go back to your first post, by lock you don't just mean the lock cylinder by any chance?

These can be upgraded to higher security ones that resist drilling out or snapping. These would be the same as a normal door cylinder.

Thanks. Exactly - I'm upgrading to all new eurocylinder locks i.e. the avocet. So wanted to upgrade the handles also.

Your advice:

Patio door - external leaf - pic attached. What handles?

uPVC front door: 48mm spindle to lock; and 200mm screw to screw - checked it loads. Cant find anything.

Eurocylinder: will the eurocylinder work on both types of door. And is there any disadvantage to having one key for both.

Thanks for the advice.

colm_mcm

karlitob wrote: »

Thanks. Exactly - I'm upgrading to all new eurocylinder locks i.e. the avocet. So wanted to upgrade the handles also.

Your advice:

Patio door - external leaf - pic attached. What handles?

uPVC front door: 48mm spindle to lock; and 200mm screw to screw - checked it loads. Cant find anything.

Eurocylinder: will the eurocylinder work on both types of door. And is there any disadvantage to having one key for both.

Thanks for the advice.

I'd say you'll find it hard to find a replacement patio door handle for that. The replacement cylinder is as much as you can realistically do without adding additional locks.
There is an additional lock you can get called an Ivess lock. It prevents the door being lifted off the track (this is often how thieves get in)

No disadvantage to having key-alike cylinders.
The one for the aluminium door need to be much narrower than the pvc door. You might find it difficult to get keyed alike cylinder with different sizes.

The handles themselves don't have any say in the security of the door. The cylinder is key (pardon the pun)

bonzodog2

colm_mcm wrote: »

No disadvantage to having key-alike cylinders.

Generally more expensive to get >1 cylinders keyed the same
If a key goes missing in dubious circumstances, you'd want to change all the cylinders

My €0.02

karlitob

colm_mcm wrote: »

I'd say you'll find it hard to find a replacement patio door handle for that. The replacement cylinder is as much as you can realistically do without adding additional locks.
There is an additional lock you can get called an Ivess lock. It prevents the door being lifted off the track (this is often how thieves get in)

No disadvantage to having key-alike cylinders.
The one for the aluminium door need to be much narrower than the pvc door. You might find it difficult to get keyed alike cylinder with different sizes.

The handles themselves don't have any say in the security of the door.

colm_mcm wrote: »

The cylinder is key (pardon the pun)

Brilliant!

Have the Ivess already.

Do you mean shorter rather than narrower? I think they actually both come in at 70mm.

Can i ask why you can't get a replacement handle for it? How would you measure up what type it is? Cant seem to find a good video on it?

karlitob

Can you suggest some aluminium window locks. Somethings more secure than the cockspur lock.
Thanks.

colm_mcm

karlitob wrote: »

colm_mcm wrote: »

I'd say you'll find it hard to find a replacement patio door handle for that. The replacement cylinder is as much as you can realistically do without adding additional locks.
There is an additional lock you can get called an Ivess lock. It prevents the door being lifted off the track (this is often how thieves get in)

No disadvantage to having key-alike cylinders.
The one for the aluminium door need to be much narrower than the pvc door. You might find it difficult to get keyed alike cylinder with different sizes.

The handles themselves don't have any say in the security of the door.


Brilliant!

Have the Ivess already.

Do you mean shorter rather than narrower? I think they actually both come in at 70mm.

Can i ask why you can't get a replacement handle for it? How would you measure up what type it is? Cant seem to find a good video on it?

as in the distance from the inside to the outside. The shape is the same and you could certainly fit a longer cylinder into an aluminium door, but the idea is to have as little of the cylinder protruding as possible. That's why they have a weak spot engineered in towards the end so it snaps off.
I haven't seen the handles with the cylinder built in in ages. I'd imagine the sliding door is old enough.
PVC doors tend to be a lot thicker than aluminium so the cylinders tend to be different.

No harm in having the cylinder sticking out on the inside apart from looks.
The threaded hole in the cylinder isn't always in the middle. You need to check your old ones.

Aluminium doors are often 35/35 cylinders (as in 70mm with the hole in the middle.
Any PVC doors I've seen have bigger ones than that.

karlitob

colm_mcm wrote: »

karlitob wrote: »

as in the distance from the inside to the outside. The shape is the same and you could certainly fit a longer cylinder into an aluminium door, but the idea is to have as little of the cylinder protruding as possible. That's why they have a weak spot engineered in towards the end so it snaps off.
I haven't seen the handles with the cylinder built in in ages. I'd imagine the sliding door is old enough.
PVC doors tend to be a lot thicker than aluminium so the cylinders tend to be different.

No harm in having the cylinder sticking out on the inside apart from looks.
The threaded hole in the cylinder isn't always in the middle. You need to check your old ones.

Aluminium doors are often 35/35 cylinders (as in 70mm with the hole in the middle.
Any PVC doors I've seen have bigger ones than that.

Thanks for all that. Appreciate your advice.

Just to confirm:

- Do you not think I'll get a set of handles for the patio door? What is the problem? How would I measure and check?

colm_mcm

karlitob wrote: »

colm_mcm wrote: »

Thanks for all that. Appreciate your advice.

Just to confirm:

- Do you not think I'll get a set of handles for the patio door? What is the problem? How would I measure and check?

You might get lucky with the patio handles. The lock is Yale, I just googled Yale patio door handles and a few came up.

Measure distance between the handle screws, between top handle screw and lock lever, and bottom screw to lock cylinder [the centre of the round bit]

You probably have a bit of leeway either way.