Villa sack di Matteo (124 days into the job)

DenMan · 03-10-2016 8:46am #1

Just announced! Villa have sacked Roberto di Matteo and will now be looking for their fifth manager in a year.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37534496

eigrod · 03-10-2016 8:49am

Job for Big Sam there

GavRedKing · 03-10-2016 8:52am

Given the way the club has performed for the last 5 years, its going to be a while before they're back in the top flight. Bit like Leeds.

DenMan · 03-10-2016 8:52am

eigrod wrote: »

Job for Big Sam there

That would be something else!

CSF · 03-10-2016 8:55am

This guy made Remi Garde and Tim Sherwood look like Pep.

artanevilla · 03-10-2016 9:21am

Considering we've been discussing his replacement in the Villa Super thread for the last few weeks it's no surprise.

DenMan · 03-10-2016 9:40am

Steve Bruce I reckon will be the new manager.

CSF · 03-10-2016 9:58am

DenMan wrote: »

Steve Bruce I reckon will be the new manager.

The only obstacle would be if he is holding out for the England job.

GavRedKing · 03-10-2016 10:54am

DenMan wrote: »

Steve Bruce I reckon will be the new manager.

Would ya rather Bruce or Allardyce at the club?

Before the bung, I'd have taken Allardyce everyday if I was a Villa fan.

crkball6 · 03-10-2016 10:59am

GavRedKing wrote: »

Before the bung, I'd have taken Allardyce everyday if I was a Villa fan.

Why should it change anything?

Stating the fact you can get around FA rules would have no baring on Villa or the fans. There concern will be getting back to the prem and Sam can do that.

Unless Villa fans have developed some over sensitive moral compass.

Perfect job for him.

Bounty Hunter · 03-10-2016 10:59am

How short a time frame he had in the job was highlighted in the title but nobody should take that as a wow give the lad a chance type thing he deserved to go. Considering the amount of backing he had and the players he now has at his disposal the lack of results was disappointing but some of his decisions were just baffling. He continued to play tactics which were completely lopsided (usually with 4 forwards on the pitch) and when Villa had the lead in games his substitutions would often be him taking off a defense player to throw on another attacking player. Then time and time again we would throw away leads and drop points.

It is disappointing to see from a guy who has a CL trophy as well as championship promotion already on his managerial CV and nobody is expecting to walk the championship but 1 win in 11, less points than games played... it was a deserved sacking.

Steve Bruce is the most hotly tipped name but i'd imagine he sees himself as having a shot at the England job.
Big Sam will be mentioned but it's too soon after he has been tarred with the "Dodgy" brush for Villa to think appointing him wouldn't look bad. So whether I'd like him or not I just don't see it being at all likely.

BBC actually has us linked to younger British managers

"Among the candidates bound to be considered are Bruce, who is available, and three young, progressive managers - Huddersfield's David Wagner, Bristol City's Lee Johnson and Brentford's Smith - who is a lifelong Villa fan and used to clean the steps on the Holte End with his father.

crkball6 · 03-10-2016 11:04am

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Steve Bruce is the most hotly tipped name but i'd imagine he sees himself as having a shot at the England job.

I would have thought southgate keeping the job was the most likely outcome.
If he wins these four matches there's no way the FA will take him out.

His press conference was one of the most intelligent I've heard for years from any manager. He's a shoe in I'd say.

GBX · 03-10-2016 11:07am

Sherwood is interested in going back. Cant be any worse to be fair. Better record than Di Matteo.

CSF · 03-10-2016 11:10am

GBX wrote: »

Sherwood is interested in going back. Cant be any worse to be fair. Better record than Di Matteo.

Not a hope will he be back in charge. Apples from the same tree.

JPA · 03-10-2016 11:13am

GavRedKing wrote: »

Given the way the club has performed for the last 5 years, its going to be a while before they're back in the top flight. Bit like Leeds.

Leeds are broke as ****, Villa are not. He was sacked for getting nothing from the heavy investment this summer.

DenMan · 03-10-2016 11:15am

GavRedKing wrote: »

Would ya rather Bruce or Allardyce at the club?

Before the bung, I'd have taken Allardyce everyday if I was a Villa fan.

Personally I think Bruce would be a better choice than Sam. He's a very trusting manager and his teams have played good football under him. Villa (and a lot of others) will be staying clear of Sam for the foreseeable future. He might be back in management in January. I was very impressed with Shearer talking about Southgate on MOTD on Saturday night. After the four games the FA should appoint him the new England manager. He knows the setup, the younger players coming through and would be a positive appointment for the national team.

Bounty Hunter · 03-10-2016 11:22am

crkball6 wrote: »

I would have thought southgate keeping the job was the most likely outcome.
If he wins these four matches there's no way the FA will take him out.

His press conference was one of the most intelligent I've heard for years from any manager. He's a shoe in I'd say.

I think Villa will wanna get a new man in during the international break and if Bruce thinks he has a chance with England that would make getting him almost impossible even if I do agree with your ascertation re Southgate. He is still the favourite for the Villa job though.

crkball6 · 03-10-2016 11:27am

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

I think Villa will wanna get a new man in during the international break and if Bruce thinks he has a chance with England that would make getting him almost impossible even if I do agree with your ascertation re Southgate. He is still the favourite for the Villa job though.

Sorry, I misread your post.

I thought you meant Bruce was a shoe in for England.

Utopia Parkway · 03-10-2016 12:19pm

Has Di Matteo ever been a good manager? Won a CL with Chelsea but had a team full of leaders and big characters like Terry, Lampard and Drogba and even then they were absolutely blessed at times during that run. Di Matteo just seemed to be in the right place at the right time. Sacked at West Brom and sacked at Villa. Resigned at Schalke when they collapsed towards the end of the season. Not to mention sacked at Chelsea a few months after winning the CL.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 03-10-2016 12:25pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Has Di Matteo ever been a good manager? Won a CL with Chelsea but had a team full of leaders and big characters like Terry, Lampard and Drogba and even then they were absolutely blessed at times during that run. Di Matteo just seemed to be in the right place at the right time. Sacked at West Brom and sacked at Villa. Resigned at Schalke when they collapsed towards the end of the season. Not to mention sacked at Chelsea a few months after winning the CL.

I'd say Di Matteo had as much influence on Chelsea winning the champions league as I had, it was almost 100% pure luck.

Lukker- · 03-10-2016 12:26pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Has Di Matteo ever been a good manager? Won a CL with Chelsea but had a team full of leaders and big characters like Terry, Lampard and Drogba and even then they were absolutely blessed at times during that run. Di Matteo just seemed to be in the right place at the right time. Sacked at West Brom and sacked at Villa. Resigned at Schalke when they collapsed towards the end of the season. Not to mention sacked at Chelsea a few months after winning the CL.

Not really no, the Chelsea team that won the CL managed themselves. Similar to making the CL final with Avram Grant.

Player power actually gets results when you have the personel.

Lukker- · 03-10-2016 12:26pm

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I'd say Di Matteo had as much influence on Chelsea winning the champions league as I had, it was almost 100% pure luck.

lol

Richard Hillman · 03-10-2016 1:03pm

Villa have sleepwalked into a zombie club that have no basic purpose for existing. They will be like Millwall or Port Vale once the novelty of lower league football has worn off.

CSF · 03-10-2016 1:09pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Villa have sleepwalked into a zombie club that have no basic purpose for existing. They will be like Millwall or Port Vale once the novelty of lower league football has worn off.

Bet you any money Villa will be a Premier League club once more by the end of the decade.

listermint · 03-10-2016 1:12pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Villa have sleepwalked into a zombie club that have no basic purpose for existing. They will be like Millwall or Port Vale once the novelty of lower league football has worn off.

What does that even mean.... :rolleyes:

Bounty Hunter · 03-10-2016 1:15pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Villa have sleepwalked into a zombie club that have no basic purpose for existing.

What the hell does this mean?

No purpose for existing? If things go badly sure you might as well fold up and go home. Hey Villa fans that club you support is pointless and should not exist because it has been badly managed for several years. :rolleyes:

Villa have only had a new owner a few months. He has by championship standard heavily heavily invested in the playing squad and I would hazard would be willing to do so even further in January. That said the current squad isn't actually all that bad and with a different manager would no doubt have more points on the board at the moment. I'm not sure what club you support but it'd be interesting to see how you react to them going through hard times.

Lovely Bloke · 03-10-2016 1:17pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Before the bung, I'd have taken Allardyce everyday if I was a Villa fan.

What bung?

GavRedKing · 03-10-2016 1:22pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Has Di Matteo ever been a good manager? Won a CL with Chelsea but had a team full of leaders and big characters like Terry, Lampard and Drogba and even then they were absolutely blessed at times during that run. Di Matteo just seemed to be in the right place at the right time. Sacked at West Brom and sacked at Villa. Resigned at Schalke when they collapsed towards the end of the season. Not to mention sacked at Chelsea a few months after winning the CL.

Never a good manager, pretty average IMO.

The CL win was down to him just appeasing the players and letting them play the way they wanted and not what AVB was trying to push on them.

He was sacked with the club in 3rd place and Benitez took over and done worse and narrowly scrapped top 4, had RDM being in charge for the season I think he would have finished top 4 too but ultimately Jose was coming back in the summer no matter who was in charge, Rafa or RDM.

osarusan · 03-10-2016 1:46pm

Might it be a bit too soon to take on Allardyce?

A few months later and Villa could say he'd served his time and so on.

Skylinehead · 03-10-2016 2:06pm

Steve Bruce is a decent shout tbh, great Championship manager. Just replace him the second he gets you promoted, as harsh as that sounds.

thebaz · 03-10-2016 2:29pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Villa have sleepwalked into a zombie club that have no basic purpose for existing. They will be like Millwall or Port Vale

no purpose to exist - tell that to the Villa faithful ??

di Matteo did not work out , scoffing at winning the Champions league for Chelsea is unfair - but a decent manager at Villa and they should be in the premiership in 2 years

eagle eye · 03-10-2016 2:30pm

Allardyce is the man to bring them back up. If the Villa board have the balls to overlook his recent fumble then they'll get a good man in Allardyce.

It is probably a bit soon for him to get a job but he is by far the best candidate.

CSF · 03-10-2016 2:33pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Allardyce is the man to bring them back up. If the Villa board have the balls to overlook his recent fumble then they'll get a good man in Allardyce.

It is probably a bit soon for him to get a job but he is by far the best candidate.

Absolutely agree

Bridge93 · 03-10-2016 10:25pm

What about knicking your man managing Huddersfield? They've come from nowhere this year

CSF · 03-10-2016 10:36pm

Bridge93 wrote: »

What about knicking your man managing Huddersfield? They've come from nowhere this year

Looks great right now, could just be a good early run of form though.

Harry Palmr · 03-10-2016 10:45pm

Wagner would be nuts to leave HTFC for Villa regardless of the salary boost. Huddersfield have a strategic plan. Villa seem rudderless

CSF · 03-10-2016 10:52pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Wagner would be nuts to leave HTFC for Villa regardless of the salary boost. Huddersfield have a strategic plan. Villa seem rudderless

Being allowed spend over 50 million in one window usually appeals to most managers.

While we're at it, tell me about Huddersfield's strategic plan.

hullaballoo · 03-10-2016 11:07pm

RDM as much as he is a likeable man and was a fine servant for Chelsea in his playing days is not a manager of any quality. As pointed out already, the likes of Lampard, Drogba and Terry actually managed the team in the UCL win. Chelsea finished 6th in the league which is only second to last season's utter meltdown in terms of failures. In fairness, the squad as it was in 11/12 and the league as it was, anything below 3rd would be regarded as a failure.

I would have thought that Allardyce has to be the preference for any club looking for a manager at the minute. The Telegraph have done the England team a huge disservice with their intrepid "journalism" and I think Allardyce is a fine manager even if he is otherwise despicable. Bruce isn't anywhere near him imo.

loyatemu · 04-10-2016 10:29am

Allardyce was caught being indiscreet, nothing more. His reputation as a manager isn't really affected by what's happened. I'd say he'll hold out for a PL job (back to Sunderland?); the Championship is a minefield and he doesn't need to drop down there to come back. Bruce is a decent choice, he knows how to get a team promoted.

Villa sack di Matteo (124 days into the job)

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