Question on Saorview

olearydc

Hi

Just want to make sure on something

My mother in law who is 90+ had sky --but really had issues with it and finally packed in.Old TV was a bit of a heap also

To make life easier we are going to get a aerial installed and just use Saorview so she will have just one remote control to make it as simple as possible -she only looks at RTE, TV3 anyhow

Getting a new TV and this one in curry's JVC LT-32C360 32" LED TV says its has
Tuner: Irish Digital Ready

AM I correct thats all that is needed for Saorview

Cheers again

Regards
Dan

brick man

olearydc wrote: »

Hi

Just want to make sure on something

My mother in law who is 90+ had sky --but really had issues with it and finally packed in.Old TV was a bit of a heap also

To make life easier we are going to get a aerial installed and just use Saorview so she will have just one remote control to make it as simple as possible -she only looks at RTE, TV3 anyhow

Getting a new TV and this one in curry's JVC LT-32C360 32" LED TV says its has
Tuner: Irish Digital Ready

AM I correct thats all that is needed for Saorview

Cheers again

Regards
Dan

just make sure it is saorview approved once it is that's all u need. I think the saorview website has list of approved products

Gerry Wicklow

Saorview approved list No mention of any JVC

olearydc

Hi Gerry/Brick

Cheers for the reply's and links - -will check this out further
Regards
Dan

Atlantic Dawn

There's a chance an indoor aerial will work, while not ideal sometimes they will work perfectly fine.

Digifriendly

Have checked this model out on Currys UK site and it refers to Freeview tuner only, not Freeview HD tuner (which would definitely make it Saorview compatible). Your Currys Irish link says it has 'Irish Digital Ready Tuner' which I presume means it has MPEG 4 and can receive Saorview but you would need to be sure of this.

PabloAndRoy

JVC Manual at
http://uk.jvc-service.net/webtemp/LT-32C360%20Instruction%20Book.pdf

edit: that link does not work.
You can get the manual here:
http://uk.jvc-service.net/public/document.cfm?prog=InstrBook.cfm&Model=LT-32C360

Page 62 suggests that this is Saorview compatible:

Problem: Can't view Saorview channels

Solution:
• Check that you have selected the correct country when tuning in your TV. For ROI
select IRELAND.
• You will only receive Saorview channels in ROI, retune your TV making sure to select
IRELAND as your country.

I recall reading on here that some JVC TVs had a strange unlock code on initial setup that is presented on the purchase receipt. Might be worth keeping in mind if buying one.

bored_newbie

If a tv isn't on the approved list, but has a triple tuner(DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S2), would it work if I hook up an aerial?
Been meaning to try out an indoor aerial (renting).

*edit* Just checked and the nearest transmitter is nearly 50km away so I'm guessing an indoor aerial would be useless.

The Cush

bored_newbie wrote: »

If a tv isn't on the approved list, but has a triple tuner(DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S2), would it work if I hook up an aerial?
Been meaning to try out an indoor aerial (renting).

If the TV has a DVB-T or T2 tuner with MPEG-4 video decoder it will work, I'd guess almost all TVs these days have such a decoder.

Sam Russell

bored_newbie wrote: »

If a tv isn't on the approved list, but has a triple tuner(DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S2), would it work if I hook up an aerial?
Been meaning to try out an indoor aerial (renting).

*edit* Just checked and the nearest transmitter is nearly 50km away so I'm guessing an indoor aerial would be useless.

It will decode the signal but if it is not Saorview approved it will also receive the dead channels the a Saorview receiver will ignore. There are 39 channel headers that will be given channel numbers and two data channels that might end up in the No 1 slot and are locked there.

If it is not Saorview approved, do not buy it - there are plenty that are at about the same price. You will avoid grief.

Gerry Wicklow

Sam Russell wrote: »

It will decode the signal but if it is not Saorview approved it will also receive the dead channels the a Saorview receiver will ignore. There are 39 channel headers that will be given channel numbers and two data channels that might end up in the No 1 slot and are locked there.

If it is not Saorview approved, do not buy it - there are plenty that are at about the same price. You will avoid grief.

COnsidering that there are many makes that ARE Saorview approved and still don't work properly (series linking etc) I certainly wouldn't chance a non-approved set.

The Cush

Sam Russell wrote: »

It will decode the signal but if it is not Saorview approved it will also receive the dead channels the a Saorview receiver will ignore. There are 39 channel headers that will be given channel numbers and two data channels that might end up in the No 1 slot and are locked there.

Not the case for most non-approved TVs, yours appears to be the exception. I have a number of non-approved TV here, the oldest early 2008, and all work OK for Saorview reception. Channels are in the correct order with the other test channels hidden as they should be.

If Currys are saying that the TV is Irish Digital TV ready I would say it'll work without a problem for Saorview reception.

PabloAndRoy

The Cush wrote: »

Not the case for most non-approved TVs, yours appears to be the exception. I have a number of non-approved TV here, the oldest early 2008, and all work OK for Saorview reception. Channels are in the correct order with the other test channels hidden as they should be.

If Currys are saying that the TV is Irish Digital TV ready I would say it'll work without a problem for Saorview reception.

Plus the fact that the JVC user manual explicitly mentions Saorview as being a compatible platform.

Yamanoto

Bit of a nonsense to suggest folks should stick to TV's with Saorview approval only.

Sam Russell

Yamanoto wrote: »

Bit of a nonsense to suggest folks should stick to TV's with Saorview approval only.

Well, I have a Samsung with Freesat and to get Freesat to work I must set the TV to 'Country=UK' which removes the Saorview compatibility. Consequently a Saorview retune is a pita as it requires a large amount of reordering and deleteing of the rubbish 2RN insert into the signal purely to give grief to those not using Saorview approved sets.

However, the set may operate correctly if you set 'County=Ireland' even if it is not actually approved by the testers appointed by 2RN.

Yamanoto

Sam Russell wrote: »

Consequently a Saorview retune is a pita as it requires a large amount of reordering and deleteing of the rubbish 2RN insert into the signal purely to give grief to those not using Saorview approved sets.

Sounds like a quirk of your own particular model, as opposed to a ploy to discommode those who've chosen to purchase non-approved TV's. I've two standard Freeview / non-approved sets which work seamlessly with Saorview - channels numbered correctly & no superfluous test channels showing.

Kristopherus

Yamanoto wrote: »

Sounds like a quirk of your own particular model, as opposed to a ploy to discommode those who've chosen to purchase non-approved TV's. I've two standard Freeview / non-approved sets which work seamlessly with Saorview - channels numbered correctly & no superfluous test channels showing.

Have you Series Link?

The Cush

Yamanoto wrote: »

Sounds like a quirk of your own particular model, as opposed to a ploy to discommode those who've chosen to purchase non-approved TV's.

Same will apply to any TV or STB installed with UK as the country / region. Saorview channels are identified as out region and stored as found in the 800s. Not a Saorview issue but part of the UK's Freeview receiver standard.

PabloAndRoy

Sam Russell wrote: »

Well, I have a Samsung with Freesat and to get Freesat to work I must set the TV to 'Country=UK' which removes the Saorview compatibility. Consequently a Saorview retune is a pita as it requires a large amount of reordering and deleteing of the rubbish 2RN insert into the signal purely to give grief to those not using Saorview approved sets.

However, the set may operate correctly if you set 'County=Ireland' even if it is not actually approved by the testers appointed by 2RN.

So your TV has dvb-s and dvb-t tuners with separate inputs for each? And the country setting is TV wide rather than tuner specific? Or did you mean Freeview rather than Freesat?

Any set that I have seen that allows to set the country to Ireland has worked perfectly with Saorview. OP was asking about Saorview on a specific JVC model. I am pretty sure that has been answered.

bored_newbie

I might be in trouble with my tv then. The only countries I can set it to are Austria, Germany or Poland
I don't have an aerial on the house to test but by the sounds of it, it might not work.

Yamanoto

Kristopherus wrote: »

Have you Series Link?

As they're lacking PVR functionality, it's not summit I've checked.

My LG 42LM620T (which is on the Saorview approved list) does not offer an option for series link when using the PVR functionality.

Sam Russell

PabloAndRoy wrote: »

So your TV has dvb-s and dvb-t tuners with separate inputs for each? And the country setting is TV wide rather than tuner specific? Or did you mean Freeview rather than Freesat?

Any set that I have seen that allows to set the country to Ireland has worked perfectly with Saorview. OP was asking about Saorview on a specific JVC model. I am pretty sure that has been answered.

Freesat - I have two inputs - one for satellite one for aerial.

Maybe most new TVs sold on the Irish market now comply, but older sets definitely do not generally comply. Philips, Lg, and Panasonic to name a few.

Caveat Emptor - as they say in Latin.

PabloAndRoy

bored_newbie wrote: »

I might be in trouble with my tv then. The only countries I can set it to are Austria, Germany or Poland
I don't have an aerial on the house to test but by the sounds of it, it might not work.

This doesn't mean that you won't pick up the channels, just that you might have to some channel re-ordering and deletion of the test channels. Poland uses MPEG-4 so it probably will work, but you may have to tweak the channel list. Set it to Poland and give it a shot.

PabloAndRoy

Sam Russell wrote: »

Freesat - I have two inputs - one for satellite one for aerial.

Maybe most new TVs sold on the Irish market now comply, but older sets definitely do not generally comply. Philips, Lg, and Panasonic to name a few.

Caveat Emptor - as they say in Latin.

indeed .. but the model that the OP referenced states in the user manual that it works with Saorview.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum - as they say in Maths and Philosophy

Sam Russell

PabloAndRoy wrote: »

indeed .. but the model that the OP referenced states in the user manual that it works with Saorview.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum - as they say in Maths and Philosophy

They say 'Suck it and see' in engineering - which is what the OP should do before handing over the cash.

PabloAndRoy

Sam Russell wrote: »

They say 'Suck it and see' in engineering - which is what the OP should do before handing over the cash.

they also say RTFM.

Edit: screenshot from the manual for the model in question:

Sam Russell

PabloAndRoy wrote: »

they also say RTFM.

Edit: screenshot from the manual for the model in question:

No-one reads the manual - ever.

Antenna

Yamanoto wrote: »

Bit of a nonsense to suggest folks should stick to TV's with Saorview approval only.

And it isn't as if it is a guarantee of reliability.

Someone I know had a Nordmende TV NM24913LEDM4 which was not working.
Whilst it was bought a few years ago (Analogue switch off maybe) he said it was at a location where it had not got very much use since purchase and was annoyed it failed.

(I know people grumbling the CRT TVs they had before digital usually lasted years and years, and new TVs for digital often give trouble before long ...)


This Nordmende TV had Saorview approved sticker on the front top right...

The fault was one of three parallel diodes in the Vestel Powersupply gone short circuit, seemingly a common fault. All 3 replaced (Ultra Fast type diodes) and TV working again.

Looking at the back of the TV there is plenty of ventilation vents at the top but very little at the bottom (only some to the left of the powercable entry). Under the TV its the 2 speakers, not vents.
One questions if there would be better airflow and so better reliability of components which dissipate heat if there was more vents lower down at the back of the TV ??? (see attached picture, also 2 pics of circuit board - with bad diode removed before replacements of all 3)

Sam Russell

Antenna wrote: »

And it [Saorview approval] isn't as if it is a guarantee of reliability.

Someone I know had a Nordmende TV NM24913LEDM4 which was not working.

Nobody suggests Saorview Approval has anything to do with poor design, poor construction, or poor reliability. It meerly makes sure that the firmware in the TV renders the Saorview signal the way it should - that it corresponds to the standards.

Buy a better brand if you want reliability.

Gerry Wicklow

Like Sam Russell, I had a high end Samsung TV which was Saorview approved. Series linking used to work until 2RN "fixed" it. The MHEG5 text also had a mind of it's own although that might just be Aertel messing up since they still include html and links on their text pages occasionally.