20K what to buy?

joanofarc

Hi All, looking for some advice about purchasing in Jan 17.
My needs are : no bigger then 1.6
built in sat nav / parking camera / bluetooth etc
large enough booth
Currently doing about 20,000 kml per / mostly on motorway so maybe diesel?

will have 10k deposit and hoping to go 0% finance to pay off balance.
Any of you care to give me an idea of what might be suitable. First time new buyer!!!

diomed

I bought a "nearly new" Toyota Avensis 1.6D with 15,000 kms on the clock yesterday. It has the things you listed. So far I've driven it about 3 kms. It cost about €28k.
Fingers crossed it lives up to expectations. I'll be doing about 100 kms motorway driving tomorrow.

bazz26

Why the limitation to 1.6 litre?

joanofarc

Bigger engine, higher costs!

bazz26

joanofarc wrote: »

Bigger engine, higher costs!

I'm not talking about 3.0 or 4.0 litre engines here, even stretching to 1.8 or 2.0 litre will give you more options especially if you want more toys. Motor tax is based on emissions rather than engine size and depending on the car and engine you may find running costs on a slightly bigger engine may not different to a 1.6 litre.

What about an Auris hybrid:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Toyota/Auris/1.8-HYBRID/2838712953227083152/

Has most of the things you want, uber reliable and will return diesel mpg without the potential agro.

If you want something with 0% finance then your probably looking at some sort of PCP deal on a VW or Skoda presuming you will want a brand new car.

joanofarc

thank you for that Bazz, a 1.8 may not be out of my range so! I'll have a look at the Auras then and a few more before I make my decision. Do you think 20k mileage is sufficient to go for a diesel?

bazz26

What sort of driving do you do? 20k km of mostly long stretches should be fine for a diesel. However 20k km of mostly short trips around town is not suitable for a diesel but would be ideal for a hybrid like the Auris.

Zurbaran

New laws are almost certainly coming regarding diesel so if there isn't a massive difference in real world mpg id be looking at hybrid.

Bigus

Stretch a little bit to a new Toyota CRH for January, basically a petrolPrius hybrid Jeep

Diesels are going to suffer bigger depreciation starting with this coming budget.


https://www.toyota.ie/models/c-hr

I love the hybrid concept but mainly motorway driving doesn't best suit the system. Batteries being lugged about without doing much if anything.

Bigus

Augeo wrote: »

I love the hybrid concept but mainly motorway driving doesn't best suit the system. Batteries being lugged about without doing much if anything.

You obviously haven't got one so . Above is outdated comment now.

Bigus

Bigus wrote: »

You obviously haven't got one so . Above is outdated comment now.

In had a Prius for a week in Texas last year. The battery did next to nothing on the motorway.

If you are doing a motorway spin at 120kph there's little braking being done and the petrol engine is propelling you along for the mostpart.

Please do detail where my thoughts are flawed........ I'm suspecting very little detail though

Bigus wrote: »

Stretch a little bit to a new Toyota CRH for January, basically a petrolPrius hybrid Jeep

Diesels are going to suffer bigger depreciation starting with this coming budget.


https://www.toyota.ie/models/c-hr

You reckon €10k is a little stretch in budget? FFS wake up.

grogi

Augeo wrote: »

In had a Prius for a week in Texas last year. The battery did next to nothing on the motorway.

The battery provides a power and torque cushion. That enables the engine to work in a more efficient cycle Atkinson cycle - which on its own boost efficiency by ~30% (from 30% to 40%).

On top of that there always are moment when you need to slightly slow down and then speed up. On an empty motorway not so often, but get on one in busier times and this translates to savings too.

So sum up - it might seem the hybrid nature of the car is not doing anything, but it's influence is substantial.

jharr100

Zurbaran wrote: »

New laws are almost certainly coming regarding diesel so if there isn't a massive difference in real world mpg id be looking at hybrid.

What new laws ?
Any links ?

grogi

jharr100 wrote: »

What new laws ?
Any links ?

Those that are ALMOST certainly coming...

As a fallout from the VAG scandal, there will be much stronger regulation and control of emissions for diesel cars, but that would apply to new cars only.

jharr100

grogi wrote: »

Those that are ALMOST certainly coming...

As a fallout from the VAG scandal, there will be much stronger regulation and control of emissions for diesel cars, but that would apply to new cars only.

OK. There's talk of bringing diesel prices on a par with petrol over the next few years, but what chance they will revamp the tax laws to punish dirty filthy oil burners ?

grogi

grogi wrote: »

The battery provides a power and torque cushion. That enables the engine to work in a more efficient cycle Atkinson cycle - which on its own boost efficiency by ~30% (from 30% to 40%).

On top of that there always are moment when you need to slightly slow down and then speed up. On an empty motorway not so often, but get on one in busier times and this translates to savings too.

So sum up - it might seem the hybrid nature of the car is not doing anything, but it's influence is substantial.

On mainly motorway spins the mpg won't come close to diesel that accepted.

As I said I like hybrids and intend buying one next.

The motorways in Texas were empty.

Dinging

jharr100 wrote: »

OK. There's talk of bringing diesel prices on a par with petrol over the next few years, but what chance they will revamp the tax laws to punish dirty filthy oil burners ?

http://www.midlands103.com/news-centre/naughten-proposes-motor-tax-system-based-actual-emissions/

if you cant be bothered clicking the link this is what is says.

The Climate Change Minister is proposing a new motor tax system linking the amount people pay to actual emissions created by their vehicle. Roscommon Galway Independent TD Denis Naughten wants the NCT service to be allowed to access data stored on cars. Motor tax rates on vehicles registered since July 2008 are based on CO2 emissions while older cars are taxed based on engine size. OECD Environment Ministers are meeting in Paris today where efforts to reduce pollution from transport will be discussed.

May be a pipe dream on behalf of said minister but the revenue base has fallen out of the motor tax system and they need to look at another methods to recoup this revenue.

PaulKK

Did you look at the Skoda Octavia op?

We got one recently and are happy with it. Skoda were also doing 0% when we ordered.