Offered a job and then, Declined!

ubs2008 · 26-09-2016 3:56pm #1

Hi

I had a job Interview with the Owner at snip on Street yesterday 25/09/2016, i was offered a position and accepted it.

Today i got a call from a Store Manager asked me to start work from Thursday 29/09/2016, at 9.30 am till 20.00 pm. I was a bit shocked because i have agreed to work late shift on Thursday but wasn't told it would be longer then the standard 8 hours shift, so i asked the Manager if he could confirm with the owner as i wasn't told about it.

So i got a call from an Owner and he asked if i would be willing to do a whole day as there is no other option so agreed upon and said i am happy to do the whole day on Thursday.

..But after an hour i got a call again from an owner and he said the store manager isn't happy and not willing to take me on anymore, when i asked the reason he because i asked him earlier to confirm the Thursday hours with the owner, i find it a bit amusing and told the owner how can someone be so sensitive,i wasn't rude or anything with either of them.

But he simply gave me the reason and said they are taking their offer back.

Can someone suggest if i should take this matter any further or just forget about it.

Thanks

SteM · 26-09-2016 3:59pm

Forget about it and move on. Life's too short

seamus · 26-09-2016 4:04pm

What would realistically expect to get out of taking it further?

They're not going to take you back and give you the job. Even if they did, would you want to work for someone who throws a strop about an employee raising a simple query?

Ultimately your only argument is that there was an agreement to a job for you and then let you go before you started. You have no leg to stand on either way since you can be let go in the first year for basically any reason.

You could be two weeks into the job and they'd tell you to not bother coming back, and you'd have no way to pursue it.

CalamariFritti · 26-09-2016 4:06pm

Either way there is nothing for you to gain here now. There is no job here for you and there is nothing else to be got from this either. Only hardship and the whole 'it's a small world' thing.
Quite possible you dodged a bullet, too.
I'd just leave it alone and move on.

o1s1n · 26-09-2016 4:06pm

Bit of a pain in the face, but if I were you I'd see it as dodging a bullet in a long run. You really don't want to be working for someone like that.

Senna · 26-09-2016 4:08pm

ubs2008 wrote: »

Can someone suggest if i should take this matter any further or just forget about it.

Thanks

Take it where??

Managers don't like it when people question "their" requests and ask that they "check" with the owner. Doesn't mater if you weren't rude.

ubs2008 · 26-09-2016 4:08pm

Thank you for the swift response, i was just a bit disheartened so may be that is the reason for starting this thread.

SteM · 26-09-2016 4:11pm

By the way OP, they might have wanted you in longer than the standard Thursday shift so the could train you up on the sales procedure, till training etc. It might have just been a once off.

intheclouds · 26-09-2016 4:13pm

ubs2008 wrote: »

Thank you for the swift response, i was just a bit disheartened so may be that is the reason for starting this thread.

I think it seems a bit strange that when phoned with your first set of hours that you asked the guy to go back and check with the owner.

No offence or anything, but personally Id like to get a foot IN the door before questioning what they want me to do.

Long days are pretty normal in retail - I used to do 9-10 shifts myself in the past.

ubs2008 · 26-09-2016 4:15pm

No, I have spoken to the owner and he said its every Thursday, and after spoken to him i said yes for doing the whole day.

mdwexford · 26-09-2016 4:55pm

They are obviously being dickish to withdraw the offer but I have to say it's very strange to ask the manager to ask the owner about the length of the shift.

It's not like they asked you to work 16 hours or anything. I imagine most people would have said that's grand and shown up Thursday morning.

Senna · 26-09-2016 5:00pm

It's not like it was a 16 yr old student on placement who told you the hours and might have made a mistake, it was the manager, I can 100% see why he would cancel the offer. Why hire someone who's first contact is to question his/her rota? Plenty of other staff out there.

Harry Palmr · 26-09-2016 5:10pm

Yep assuming the OP is accurate in the description of the events the "error" was querying the hours. Just nod yes, get your foot in the door keep your head down. That's the way things are now.

In the private sector esp tertiary/retail the worker is worthless.

alroley · 26-09-2016 6:05pm

Is this a retail job? If so, long shifts are not out of the ordinary. I used to do 12 hour shifts on Saturdays when I worked in a shop.

Asking the manager to double check with the owner was not a good idea. But, they should have given you another chance imo.

Harvey Normal · 26-09-2016 6:27pm

The op was within his rights.

He wasn't interviewed by the store manager but the owner. Therefore he thought he had an agreement with the owner on the starting date and time. Imagine if the date was wrong – wouldn't it be legit to ask the manager to check with the owner? The store manager is a precious ass.

Anyway best off out of it.

Senna · 26-09-2016 7:06pm

Haha, What rights!! The right to question your new bosses decisions before you even start? The right to piss them off? The right to go over the managers head to the owner?

CalamariFritti · 26-09-2016 7:07pm

Senna wrote: »

It's not like it was a 16 yr old student on placement who told you the hours and might have made a mistake, it was the manager, I can 100% see why he would cancel the offer. Why hire someone who's first contact is to question his/her rota? Plenty of other staff out there.

Totally valid viewpoint I think. Unless it was really not workable due to other commitments I would have just had a look at the whole thing for a week. It may have been an unfortunately timed once in a blue moon request.

But on the other hand its not the best start from the employees point of view either and I don't think the employees behaviour was out of order. Certainly not showing flexibility and on my best behaviour kind of stuff, but not out of order.

Just unfortunate they way it went.

Like I said above now it's too late for anything and what else would you be doing anyway? There is no 'taking it further' option.

CalamariFritti · 26-09-2016 7:09pm

Senna wrote: »

Haha, What rights!! The right to question your new bosses decisions before you even start? The right to piss them off? The right to go over the managers head to the owner?

I wouldn't call it that now in fairness. Read to OP again, the manager was asked to clarify with the owner. Thats the opposite of going over someones head.

listermint · 26-09-2016 7:10pm

I wouldn't worry any more about this.

Wouldn't work for someone like that no thanks.

There is a lot of work in Dublin despite what you read in the papers.

Senna · 26-09-2016 7:19pm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I wouldn't call it that now in fairness. Read to OP again, the manager was asked to clarify with the owner. Thats the opposite of going over someones head.

Know what you mean, either way it's not ideal first contact.

OP, best to forget about it, there is absolutely no point in following it up, put it down to experience.

Sleeper12 · 26-09-2016 8:02pm

Senna wrote:

Managers don't like it when people question "their" requests and ask that they "check" with the owner. Doesn't mater if you weren't rude.

I'm not saying that you did anything wrong and I'm definitely not having a go but I'd imagine they thought he's questioning the way we run things before he even starts? Let's not take a chance on him. He could be trouble.
As stated above, you have nowhere to take it. I'm sorry for your disappointment. Put it behind you and move on to better things.

Harvey Normal · 26-09-2016 8:05pm

Senna wrote: »

Haha, What rights!! The right to question your new bosses decisions before you even start? The right to piss them off? The right to go over the managers head to the owner?

Yes. If the owner said "you start Monday" and the store manager says "you start Sunday" you tell him to check with the owner.

He didn't go over this wombats head.

Why is the owner interviewing if the store manager is such a control freak.

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-09-2016 12:34pm

You dodged a bullet op.
Would you have exceeded the working time directive of 48 hours for the week?

Lux23 · 27-09-2016 12:41pm

I don't know why people are arguing with the OP. If I interviewed with the owner and they said come in and do a shift from 12 to 8 only to get a call from another employee telling me I needed to be in at 8.30am, I think it would be well within my rights for them to check that there hasn't been a miscommunication of some sort. What sane person has a problem with that?

mdwexford · 27-09-2016 3:10pm

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't know why people are arguing with the OP. If I interviewed with the owner and they said come in and do a shift from 12 to 8 only to get a call from another employee telling me I needed to be in at 8.30am, I think it would be well within my rights for them to check that there hasn't been a miscommunication of some sort. What sane person has a problem with that?

At no stage did the owner say it was a 12 to 8.
He said it was a late shift.

It wasn't just another employee, it was the manager who presumably does the rota.

A ten and a half hour day is not extreme in the least.

seamus · 28-09-2016 7:30am

mdwexford wrote: »

At no stage did the owner say it was a 12 to 8.
He said it was a late shift.

It wasn't just another employee, it was the manager who presumably does the rota.

A ten and a half hour day is not extreme in the least.

Tone is also important.

"Oh, I wasn't told in my interview that the late shift would be a long one, OK no problem"

versus

"Can you please ring your boss to confirm that this is correct, as a standard shift is 8 hours".

Telling your boss to go check his facts, before you've even started, is not a way to win approval

dr.fuzzenstein · 28-09-2016 7:53am

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't know why people are arguing with the OP. If I interviewed with the owner and they said come in and do a shift from 12 to 8 only to get a call from another employee telling me I needed to be in at 8.30am, I think it would be well within my rights for them to check that there hasn't been a miscommunication of some sort. What sane person has a problem with that?

There's the issue! Sane, normal people don't become retail managers.

pilly · 30-09-2016 2:57pm

Sorry to be harsh OP but if you want to get your foot in the door anywhere you can't start the position by questioning the manager. I would have simply turned up as requested. If you can't manage 11.5 hours shift every week then that's a different story, you'd have to decline the job anyway. If you can manage it then why query it?

Morgans · 01-10-2016 12:20pm

Assuming the tone from the OP was respectful and appropriate, i would suggest that the manager has a very thin skin and would not be great to work for. It seems a pretty reasonable and understandable miscommunication. If you are desperate for work you may have to tolerate such managers.

If not respectful and appropriate, the OP has learned a lesson, if the OP was respecfful, then he/she has more than likely dodged a bullet.

Offered a job and then, Declined!

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