Oberstown again

Gatling

Seems there's been another riot in oberstown Detention centre causing over €1 million in damage to the centre ,
Apparently the blame was put down to drugs been openly available to inmates ,,

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/over-1m-damage-to-oberstown-in-new-riot-35076329.html

Why this is allowed to happen again is beyond a joke

suicide_circus

The softly softly approach working wonders I see

Noveight

And, it is claimed that embattled staff were told they could not restrain the rioters if they were 'only' causing damage to property.

Ah here, talk about nonsense. Always loved a good baton charge.

foggy_lad

This place is just bonkers
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/over-1m-damage-to-oberstown-in-new-riot-35076329.html

it is claimed that embattled staff were told they could not restrain the rioters if they were 'only' causing damage to property.

Staff are also prevented from searching inmates for drugs under the EU-inspired guidelines for detaining 'children' under the age of 18. Sources say the inmates are freely using smuggled drugs, including heroin in tablet form.

A new regime is needed in that place, bare white or cream and brown walls, no furniture apart from some bolted down chairs and tables, no recreational facilities without them being earned through hard work and exemplary behaviour.

Introduction of non lethal beanbag rounds and restraint chairs like they have in jails in many more civilised countries to deal with those inmates who refuse to comply.

Stigura

Time was .....

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/pest%20control%20unit_zpsoupkwgbf.jpg

Gatling

There was recently a discussion on using the Government Jet to fly inmates to a facility in the uk if they had no room to house them after the last riot .

They seriously need to secure the whole campus and stop the mollly coddling

ChikiChiki

Bring the army in to put a bit of control and dicipline on the place. Mollycoddling these lads doesn't work.

marketty

We're talking about seriously damaged young people in this place, for the most part. The state has already failed them for their entire life so far by letting them be dragged up by junkie parents, I don't know what should be done for them but battering them round the place isn't the answer.

Ted111

The State should be sent to prison. Ten years in mountjoy.

Your Face

Hugs to those angels.

biko

Battle Royale

MilesMorales1

marketty wrote: »

We're talking about seriously damaged young people in this place, for the most part. The state has already failed them for their entire life so far by letting them be dragged up by junkie parents, I don't know what should be done for them but battering them round the place isn't the answer.

Really? I don't agree with the whole having them shot thing, but behaviour and nonsense like whats in the article just isn't on. It's a ****ing prison effectively. they need some discipline.

Loveinapril

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Really? I don't agree with the whole having them shot thing, but behaviour and nonsense like whats in the article just isn't on. It's a ****ing prison effectively. they need some discipline.

I agree. I worked in a residential that sent some individuals onto places like this. It is a huge step up from social care so they need to move away from employing social care staff. No therapeutic work can be done when the behaviour is that challenging. They need to realise that and employ prison officers. The major factor is the issue that under 18's residential units (regardless of the individuals living there) are all expected to follow a set of specific standards. The law sees them ALL as vulnerable children who need protecting. This is partially the case, but there is a point where not responding to their behaviours appropriately is more damaging to them.

conorhal

It's baffling that Minister Zappone keeps repeating that the management of Oberstown have her 'full confidence and support'. How can the management of a place that burns down every other week could be considered even a tiny bit competent?

Annasopra

conorhal wrote: »

It's baffling that Minister Zappone keeps repeating that the management of Oberstown have her 'full confidence and support'. How can the management of a place that burns down every other week could be considered even a tiny bit competent?

I dont have confidence in Minister Zappones ability to deal with this.

suicide_circus

No one is suggesting waterboarding these lads but what they need is some good old fashioned discipline, nothing elaborate.

ChikiChiki

marketty wrote: »

We're talking about seriously damaged young people in this place, for the most part. The state has already failed them for their entire life so far by letting them be dragged up by junkie parents, I don't know what should be done for them but battering them round the place isn't the answer.

Theres a difference between battering someone around the place and discipline. Discipline is all about getting them to respect authority. Bring them on tough army training camps, have them them do educational courses, help bring a sense of achievement and respect of authority and rules into their lives. Let them build some positive comradery with each other through the process. I believe they can be put on a good path with the right methods.

The softy softy approach definitely seems to be a failure here.

endacl

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Really? I don't agree with the whole having them shot thing, but behaviour and nonsense like whats in the article just isn't on. It's a ****ing prison effectively. they need some discipline.

That's just it. It's not a prison.

Gatling

endacl wrote: »

That's just it. It's not a prison.

Detention center inmates sent there after a court appearance in front of a judge ,
It's a prison but it's run and treated like a care home which it's actually not and shouldn't be considered a care home .

whisky_galore

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Bring the army in to put a bit of control and dicipline on the place. Mollycoddling these lads doesn't work.

Not their job.
Good luck with that.

For Forks Sake

Ted111 wrote: »

The State should be sent to prison. Ten years in mountjoy.

Will it be allowed to riot whilst it's in there?

pure.conya

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Theres a difference between battering someone around the place and discipline. Discipline is all about getting them to respect authority. Bring them on tough army training camps, have them them do educational courses, help bring a sense of achievement and respect of authority and rules into their lives. Let them build some positive comradery with each other through the process. I believe they can be put on a good path with the right methods.

The softy softy approach definitely seems to be a failure here.

can you actually imagine trying to get these animals to calm down enough to try educate them?

Riddle101

Ireland in general is just horrible at managing or regulating things. I'm not surprised that it might be the same in the prison system too. Can't imagine what it must be like to work as a prison guard in places like those. All sort of red tape and bureaucratic crap. There must be some way of dealing with the issues better, but it's an issue that I think the government wants to ignore because generally prisons are largely ignored by the government. I'm not just talking about Irish prisons either, but it seems to me like prison systems are always ignored by governmental bodies.

ChikiChiki

pure.conya wrote: »

can you actually imagine trying to get these animals to calm down enough to try educate them?

I know but what are the alternative options? On their current path they'll just be released back onto the streets and commit further crimes. There's enough scumbags with 50+ convictions out there going through the revolving courthouse door, we don't need to add to it.

ChikiChiki

whisky_galore wrote: »

Not their job.
Good luck with that.

It will be their job if they are called upon to restore peace and order to the place by the Minister for Defence. Situation is getting out of hand there far too often.

whisky_galore

ChikiChiki wrote: »

It will be their job if they are called upon to restore peace and order to the place by the Minister for Defence. Situation is getting out of hand there far too often.

LoL.
If the Minster for Transport washes his hands of intervening in a crippling bus dispute I wouldn't hold out any hope for this.