Architect for post planning?

jimmy_t

So we have an architect engaged to get us through planning at a cost of roughly €10k incl vat
The post planning fees are roughly 20k incl vat. so my question is does an architect add that much more after planning that an engineer or arch. tech. couldn't?
Would we end up spending more money on additional professionals if we lose the architect?

Gumbo

jimmy_t wrote: »

So we have an architect engaged to get us through planning at a cost of roughly €10k incl vat
The post planning fees are roughly 20k incl vat. so my question is does an architect add that much more after planning that an engineer or arch. tech. couldn't?
Would we end up spending more money on additional professionals if we lose the architect?

Depends on what they are doing. Are they acting into an assigned certified role?
Will your bank allow another professional? I'm currently going through the funding stage of my extension (and I'm in the business) but Ulster Bank for example will only allow coatings and sign off from an engineer or architect.

jimmy_t

Yes they would be the assigned certifier. The bank is a good point, so the arch tech cant fully fulfill the post planning role of the architect but the engineer could.

sydthebeat

is this a one off build? if so why dont you opt out?

jimmy_t

it is a one off build. I havent had to make that decision yet as we're not through planning yet but basically i dont honestly know the pros and cons of opting out other than the Architect will cost 2k less if I opt out.

sydthebeat

sounds like the architect is offering a high level service regardless of the 'assigned certifier' role

if your build is anyway standard, other professionals can take it post planing for a lesser figure.
Architects dont specify structural elements, so perhaps an enginner can take it to completion for a lesser figure AND provide the structural design as an inclusive price.

jimmy_t

Thanks Syd, we're aiming for a compact passive design so should be straightforward if we get an engineer with experience in that.

So there is no profound reason to retain the architect, their best work is behind them if they get you through planning with a design you are happy with?

BryanF

jimmy_t wrote: »

Thanks Syd, we're aiming for a compact passive design so should be straightforward if we get an engineer with experience in that.

So there is no profound reason to retain the architect, their best work is behind them if they get you through planning with a design you are happy with?

If you plan on achieving anywhere near the passive standard you need an experienced architectural detailer and a lot of drawings/sketches prepared and agreed in advance by your builder. Most engineers will not be up to this task.

jimmy_t

BryanF wrote: »

If you plan on achieving anywhere near the passive standard you need an experienced architectural detailer and a lot of drawings/sketches prepared and agreed in advance by your builder. Most engineers will not be up to this task.

Ok, that adds that little bit extra to the cost of achieving passive then too doesn't it! There are engineers in my area that advertise themselves as passive house specialists and are certified passive house designers, would that be enough to give confidence, or is still a significant risk do you think?

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jimmy_t wrote: »

Ok, that adds that little bit extra to the cost of achieving passive then too doesn't it! There are engineers in my area that advertise themselves as passive house specialists and are certified passive house designers, would that be enough to give confidence, or is still a significant risk do you think?

But that extra detailing and knowledge sure does save the dreaded 'we have always done it this way' builders argument on site.

Gives you an assured stance and a governed outcome on site. So many wrong decisions can be made when under pressure in an on site situation.

I'm totally convinced and proven that the devil is in the detail. I dug foundations with 50+ detailed drawings.....

jimmy_t

Brixton Enough Hairstyle wrote: »

But that extra detailing and knowledge sure does save the dreaded 'we have always done it this way' builders argument on site.

Gives you an assured stance and a governed outcome on site. So many wrong decisions can be made when under pressure in an on site situation.

I'm totally convinced and proven that the devil is in the detail. I dug foundations with 50+ detailed drawings.....

Thanks miller63, and did you use an architect or engineer?

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jimmy_t wrote: »

Thanks miller63, and did you use an architect or engineer?

I was both :):rolleyes: . My profession...

But had foundations dug just before new Regs came in so had it slightly easier In those terms...