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Appeal launched against the development of Michael Street Shopping Centre.

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  • 19-09-2016 10:28pm
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    MRnotlob606
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    So just seen on John Cummin's Facebook page that an appeal has been made to Án Bord Pleanála to halt the construction of the new shopping centre. Are people trying their best to stop this city from moving forward? There's some dangerous people in this town...


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    looksee
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    How can they appeal at this stage? I thought permission had been granted?


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    Harry Palmr
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    Let me guess - it's a Green party member isn't it?


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    mire
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    MRnotlob606 wrote: »
    So just seen on John Cummin's Facebook page that an appeal has been made to Án Bord Pleanála to halt the construction of the new shopping centre. Are people trying their best to stop this city from moving forward? There's some dangerous people in this town...

    I'm in favour of this development. However I'm equally in favour of the third party planning appeals system and people's rights to object to planning permission. It's an important right.

    I've no idea of the appellants' motivations. Most large scale developments are appealed so this is neither unusual, or even unexpected. If the scheme Is good enough it will proceed. Fingers crossed.


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    er1983
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    Permission already got granted for this development so this doesn't make any sense


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    Sully
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    er1983 wrote: »
    Permission already got granted for this development so this doesn't make any sense

    There's another round of appeals outside of the councils process, which is what is being done atm


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    MRnotlob606
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    The planning permission is being appealed.


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    BBM77
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    It certainly is disappointing but I read the objections and let’s just say I am not too surprised an objection was made. The world should never change kind of thing was evident in one in particular.

    It will make it through the appeals process though. It is a completely sound development, it’s no Celtic tiger madness project. Sure it got through the last time and that was a bigger development.


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    O Riain
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    BBM77 wrote: »
    It certainly is disappointing but I read the objections and let s just say I am not too surprised an objection was made. The world should never change kind of thing was evident in one in particular.

    It will make it through the appeals process though. It is a completely sound development, it s no Celtic tiger madness project. Sure it got through the last time and that was a bigger development.

    Do you have some more specifics or is it available online? Would like to see the appeal.


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    JohnC.
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    Is this what was on the front of one of the local papers, current issue I believe? Something about local residents and businesses appealing because, in their opinion, a shopping development is not suitable for the city centre. That's right, there shouldn't be shopping development in the city centre. I hope that gets thrown in the bin.


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    BBM77
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    O Riain wrote: »
    Do you have some more specifics or is it available online? Would like to see the appeal.

    It will be here when the new weeks are added, it is not up yet.

    http://www.pleanala.ie/lists/2016/new/index.htm


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    BBM77
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    JohnC. wrote: »
    Is this what was on the front of one of the local papers, current issue I believe? Something about local residents and businesses appealing because, in their opinion, a shopping development is not suitable for the city centre. That's right, there shouldn't be shopping development in the city centre. I hope that gets thrown in the bin.

    Have not seen the local papers yet but yes that is the gist of the one I was referring to. Waterford does not need any more shops was one line I can remember. WOW is all I can say.


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    SOPHIE THE DOG
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    Listed with just the parties:
    www (dot) pleanala.ie/casenum/247264.htm

    (I don't have enough posts yet to include a full web address)


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    Professey Chin
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    SOPHIE THE DOG wrote: »
    Listed with just the parties:
    www (dot) pleanala.ie/casenum/247264.htm

    (I don't have enough posts yet to include a full web address)

    One of the first search results for the inner city alliance is a post bigging them up on the people before profit Facebook. So basically loopers. Fabulous


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    TheQuietFella
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    To be honest after seeing the plans for the development I thought it was nothing

    short of disgraceful! Expand the City and develop it further afield perhaps in the

    Butlerstown area of Waterford?


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    Harry Palmr
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    The city centre is dead on its arse - it needs development. Ballybroken for example is is ghost town.


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    Max Powers
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    Professey Chin wrote: »
    One of the first search results for the inner city alliance is a post bigging them up on the people before profit Facebook. So basically loopers. Fabulous

    Disappointing to see a spurious complaint to BP when the approved development is about half the size of previous one approved by BP years ago.you could see how PBP would love getting their objection in place as to be frank they are idiots with no financial reality,i challenged one of them once on something they were objecting too to do with national politics and all I got was some unrelated nonsense about bertie and endas pension..knew once I saw clowno from PBP at meeting council had that this lad will object..that's what he and they do and they can go on deluded thinking that they are the only ones fighting for what's right.
    Shame on the people with some possible genuine concerns being led by these morons who at the end of day you wouldn't have in charge of an empty box.


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    Harry Palmr
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    From WLR
    City Community Alliance John Cloono confirmed an appeal has been submitted on behalf of a group of up to 40 people, most of them residents from the area
    Questions are being asked about the group who lodged an appeal with an Bord Pleanala which will delay the Michael Street Shopping Centre in Waterford City by at least four months.The appeal was submitted by John Cloono, who himself does not live in the area, on behalf of the Inner City Community Alliance which he says is a group of up to 40 people, most of them residents.However one resident of Convent Hill in Waterford City Centre says people in her locality were not behind the appeal.Mary Ryan says some in her area have concerns over traffic management plans, but do want to see the Shopping Centre built.Metropolitan Mayor John Hearne says while people have the right to appeal, John Cloono should consider if the submission to An Bord Plenala will make any difference or will it just delay the project.

    from 2008 http://www.munster-express.ie/local-news/wctu-objects-to-latest-city-centre-plans-from-krm/


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