Compulsory PAYE tax return

mr67stag

I just received some post from the very nice people in revenue.
They have asked me to file a tax return for 2015 via form 12,not sure why this has come about.
I contacted revenue who were pretty ****ty to say the least ,and was told it was a random selection of which thousands have been sent.
I should mention that i am a paye worker not self employed etc.
I am aware that paye can do tax return for tax refund for certain expenses union membership ,tools etc but this is by revenues choice, and that this MUST be completed.
I had an inheritance in 2015 but this was well under the threshold for inheritance tax and my solicitor has confirmed this.
LPT paid etc etc ,so to say i am pissed off by this would be an understatement.
Anyone else have similar.
Regards

gerrybbadd

mr67stag wrote: »

I just received some post from the very nice people in revenue.
They have asked me to file a tax return for 2015 via form 12,not sure why this has come about.
I contacted revenue who were pretty ****ty to say the least ,and was told it was a random selection of which thousands have been sent.
I should mention that i am a paye worker not self employed etc.
I am aware that paye can do tax return for tax refund for certain expenses union membership ,tools etc but this is by revenues choice, and that this MUST be completed.
I had an inheritance in 2015 but this was well under the threshold for inheritance tax and my solicitor has confirmed this.
LPT paid etc etc ,so to say i am pissed off by this would be an understatement.
Anyone else have similar.
Regards

The Form 12 is a PAYE Tax return, for PAYE Taxpayers.

Think of it as like jury duty. You got randomly selected. It's not by "Revenue's Choice". Their computer systems select AT RANDOM a certain amount of people, and auto issue out the returns. Nothing more sinister than that.

A tip for you - the best thing you can do is choose to do it online. Most of the info will be pre populated in there for you

thesimpsons

its a normal regular thing. don't know why you should feel pissed off to be honest. It could result in you owing money (if allowances were incorrectly calculated etc) but it could also result in you getting a refund (any medical expenses to claim back, etc). people regularly go to their GP for a health check up to check everything is right so just do the return and think of it as a health check for your revenue account.

mr67stag

Cheers guys ,not really sure how i could owe the revenue money as it deducted at source ,and plenty of it at that LPT, USC etc etc etc etc etc.
Plus their ****ty attutide.

relax carry on

mr67stag wrote: »

Cheers guys ,not really sure how i could owe the revenue money as it deducted at source ,and plenty of it at that LPT, USC etc etc etc etc etc.
Plus their ****ty attutide.

The PAYE system negates the need for everyone to file an income tax return each year. Those persons required to randomly make a return confirm the system is working for the rest of us.

If you have a complaint about the service received you can complain via the below link.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/about/custservice/how-complain-revenue.html

thesimpsons

you could owe back tax If Revenue had made a mistake in giving you too much credits, the deductions made at source by your employer will be incorrect. Similarly your employer could have made a mistake. Mistakes don't happen that often tbh but people are human. In either case, its up to the employee to know that their own tax affairs are in order.

mr67stag

My understanding is that revenues finding are final with no appeal allowed.
So if they reckon i owe them money which is pretty much where this will ends.
How must they be paid,i am off work and will be for sometime as i have an illness which is life changing for my work and my family.
I had worked 30 plus years without ever have got a penny in any handout ever.

Why don't they audit APPLE ? instead of paye workers and stop paying their legal bill to refuse money they owe WHF is going on in this country of saint and scholars.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

OP this is normal and would most likely be due to random selection. I have been selected a few times over the years as well. The inheritance may have triggered it. You can fill it in online very quickly (if you use paye anytime), as everything is prepopulated. Unless of course you want to disclose any changes to your circumstance / income, you would have to give those details.

joeysoap

mr67stag wrote: »

My understanding is that revenues finding are final with no appeal allowed.

😊 I have 4 p21's for 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006. ( I queried a tax refund and it 4 goes to get it right. I have 2 p21's for 2006, 2007. (Incorrect refunds for dental work) and in 2008 I got a whopper of a tax bill (I am PAYE), so two for that year as well . I could paper a wall with P21's.

New electronic system is great though. One p21 😀

mr67stag

Was the tax bill a mistake or did you have to cough up?
I have attended doctors dentist etc with family many many times i don't have proof as i don't have receipts etc.
After the return is completed can this ever be revisited again or is 2015 closed off forever.
To Deal with a life changing illness is pretty hard,i just don't needs this ,as i am pretty sure i will get a hefty bill.
Revenue are not contacting me to give me money thats for sure.

mr67stag

Was the tax bill a mistake or did you have to cough up?
I have attended doctors dentist etc with family many many times i don't have proof as i don't have receipts etc.
After the return is completed can this ever be revisited again or is 2015 closed off forever.
To Deal with a life changing illness is pretty hard,i just don't needs this ,as i am pretty sure i will get a hefty bill.
Revenue are not contacting me to give me money thats for sure.

thesimpsons

Revenue's findings are not final. I successfully appealed a decision they made against me. They claimed a P21 from approx 7 years earlier was incorrect and it needed to be adjusted resulting in me owing 1500euro. I had kept the relevant year's tax return info, and was able to show Revenue they had made a mistake in the subsequent random audit of my PAYE stuff.

If you have paid for medical bills in the last few years you can ask your GP/pharmacist for copy of receipts - they might be obliging enough to print them off for you. Dentist bills can be reclaimed through the form the dentist can give as only refunds are for the non routine cleaning/fillings etc.

you don't know if Revenue are contacting you to give you money or not until you do the return. You have been randomly selected and you are obliged to complete the return. If you have been working for part of this year and are now out of work due to your illnesss, you might even be due a refund for this year.

Mrs OBumble

Personally I've always found that if you approach government official staff in a polite and courteous manner, they respond the same way, even if the message they have to give is an unpleasant one like "It's random selection. This year your number got picked, so you have to do it."

Whereas if you are aggressive and rude and don't like what they have to say, their attitude may seem "sh&tty".

With both Revenue and Welfare, it helps to remember that they don't actually make the rules, they just apply them. If you dislike the rules, speak to your TD.

ted1

mr67stag wrote: »

I just received some post from the very nice people in revenue.
They have asked me to file a tax return for 2015 via form 12,not sure why this has come about.
I contacted revenue who were pretty ****ty to say the least ,and was told it was a random selection of which thousands have been sent.
I should mention that i am a paye worker not self employed etc.
I am aware that paye can do tax return for tax refund for certain expenses union membership ,tools etc but this is by revenues choice, and that this MUST be completed.
I had an inheritance in 2015 but this was well under the threshold for inheritance tax and my solicitor has confirmed this.
LPT paid etc etc ,so to say i am pissed off by this would be an understatement.
Anyone else have similar.
Regards

Sorry, what's the issue ?

ted1

mr67stag wrote: »

Was the tax bill a mistake or did you have to cough up?
I have attended doctors dentist etc with family many many times i don't have proof as i don't have receipts etc.
After the return is completed can this ever be revisited again or is 2015 closed off forever.
To Deal with a life changing illness is pretty hard,i just don't needs this ,as i am pretty sure i will get a hefty bill.
Revenue are not contacting me to give me money thats for sure.

You'd be surprised, revenue tried to hit me with a 37k bill before but ended up giving me a 1.2k back instead.

It's a random audit, get over it

Have you claimed for the medical expenses etc?

barneystinson

ted1 wrote: »

You'd be surprised, revenue tried to hit me with a 37k bill before but ended up giving me a 1.2k back instead.

It's a random audit, get over it

Have you claimed for the medical expenses etc?

It's not even an audit! He's only being asked to fill in a form - God forbid he actually did get an audit...!

Jen Pigs Fly

I can confirm it is completely random - it has nothing to do with you owing revenue money or revenue owning you money, it can go either way.

This is a random selection that is mandatory to complete. Unless you're being checked to confirm inheritance, even if no tax is due it needs to be declared.

I got one when I was a student and worked 2 Saturday's for the whole year, I still filled in my form 12 with my total earning of 120 as it was asked of me.

Revenue 1890 phones are extremely stressful, if someone calls with an attitude or with aggression/anger it just makes the agent on the phone react the same. It's better to call in a polite and calm manner, at the end of the day shouting down the phone to an 1890 operator is pointless, we don't set the rules, were the lowest rungs of the ladder who do a job that no one likes doing.