Architect Qoute

Francisco64

Hi All,
Wonder if someone could advise? I'm looking into building a 2 roomed 60m square storage/garage at the back of my house. A local architect has quoted me a price of €1400 plus vat for the planning permission stage and has indicated around €5000 for full service: planning/tender/Construction supervision/Certification. I've no idea of the cost of these things. Does that cost sound ball park/reasonable??
Thanks

Metric Tensor

Sounds pretty good/reasonable OP - I don't think you'll get it much cheaper from any tax compliant professional.

Francisco64

Thanks for that Metric Tensor

Gumbo

As an all in price, I also think it's very good.

raypallas

Francisco64 wrote:

Hi All, Wonder if someone could advise? I'm looking into building a 2 roomed 60m square storage/garage at the back of my house. A local architect has quoted me a price of €1400 plus vat for the planning permission stage and has indicated around €5000 for full service: planning/tender/Construction supervision/Certification. I've no idea of the cost of these things. Does that cost sound ball park/reasonable?? Thanks

5000 to supervise the building of a garage? Going by what you have described it doesn't include in any building costs.

Gumbo

raypallas wrote: »

5000 to supervise the building of a garage? Going by what you have described it doesn't include in any building costs.

Planning costs are included.
You expect planning, supervision and construction for 5k????

Francisco64

Prices quoted are for the architect role only. €1400 plus vat to handle the drawing of plans/applying for planning permission etc stage. Price of €5000 including vat for full start to finish service: planning/tender/construction supervision/certification. Construction costs are not included in that price. The size requires planning permission so an architect is required for that aspect. It's also needed to secure finance. As the building is intended to be of house build quality for good clean storage/den/workshop and will involve significant outlay having someone supervise the construction to make sure it's done correctly is appealing.

Metric Tensor

Francisco64 wrote: »

Prices quoted are for the architect role only. €1400 plus vat to handle the drawing of plans/applying for planning permission etc stage. Price of €5000 including vat for full start to finish service: planning/tender/construction supervision/certification. Construction costs are not included in that price. The size requires planning permission so an architect is required for that aspect. It's also needed to secure finance. As the building is intended to be of house build quality for good clean storage/den/workshop and will involve significant outlay having someone supervise the construction to make sure it's done correctly is appealing.

This is what I assumed when I said it was good value. If you are building a 60 sq m turf shed I would expect a different price!

Francisco64

Metric Tensor: so would I !! lol!! Just clarifying for raypallas. I should have quoted his post but I'm not too used to boards yet

sky6

That is a good price I paid nearly double that for a similar project 5 years ago.
Just make sure your issued with a set of Drawings also.

fits

Is that an RIAI registered architect?

893bet

The prices quoted are very steep given what you have described.

Francisco64

fits wrote: »

Is that an RIAI registered architect?

Registered with Chartered Institute of Architectural Technologists. Is that similar level??

Francisco64

893bet wrote: »

The prices quoted are very steep given what you have described.

What sort of figure do you think would be reasonable for this type of project?

Francisco64

sky6 wrote: »

That is a good price I paid nearly double that for a similar project 5 years ago.
Just make sure your issued with a set of Drawings also.

Ah, okay, thanks. Willdo!

henryporter

893bet wrote: »

The prices quoted are very steep given what you have described.

For anyone to go out and survey the existing dwelling and site (for the purpose of ensuring what they design fits and works with the existing house), producing a design that is agreeable to the client (providing whatever documentation is needed to achieve that), and then generating the documentation necessary to make a valid planning application (with potential pre-planning discussions with local authority) I think €1400 ex VAT is excellent value. Not everything in life should be reduced to Lidl mentality.

fits

Francisco64 wrote: »

Registered with Chartered Institute of Architectural Technologists. Is that similar level??

nope. Not a professional architect. I was wondering why the fees were so low.

Edit: didnt realise it was for a garage. Architectural technologist is fine in this case.

eoinzy2000

you dont need to get the garage/conversion fully certified through a full BCMS anymore. 1400 sounds reasonable for a planning app. Ask him can you do it the 'Opt-Out' way and see what he will charge for simple commencement notice and notice of builder option. Shlould be no more that 500 I wouldve thought. https://www.localgov.ie/en/OptOut

eoinzy2000

In fact, 500 would be dear to apply an Opt out status. You could probably fill out the form yourself and do it but it would be worth giving the architect a few quid to do it for you. Getting a reputable builder is another one, but youve that problem anyway. Paying 3600 for a full bcms and tender and supervision by a professional is a good idea if you can afford it, and in the event of a sale, you'll have full certification. Otherwise, youll be supervising yourself and keeping on top of the builder/tradesmen. not easy. Saying that, the architect will only be out about 5 times during the build, so Id say youll be doing more supervising yourself. The builder will still be responsible for defects, no matter what any badly implemented building control authority will tell you,
All depends on hte level of hastle you want to take on/pass on.

Francisco64

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

In fact, 500 would be dear to apply an Opt out status. You could probably fill out the form yourself and do it but it would be worth giving the architect a few quid to do it for you. Getting a reputable builder is another one, but youve that problem anyway. Paying 3600 for a full bcms and tender and supervision by a professional is a good idea if you can afford it, and in the event of a sale, you'll have full certification. Otherwise, youll be supervising yourself and keeping on top of the builder/tradesmen. not easy. Saying that, the architect will only be out about 5 times during the build, so Id say youll be doing more supervising yourself. The builder will still be responsible for defects, no matter what any badly implemented building control authority will tell you,
All depends on hte level of hastle you want to take on/pass on.

Interesting. Thanks for the heads up on that. Actually I am keeping a future sale in mind. Probably never happen but still....!

Francisco64

fits wrote: »

nope. Not a professional architect. I was wondering why the fees were so low.

Edit: didnt realise it was for a garage. Architectural technologist is fine in this case.

Good to know, thanks! I confess I never really registered the difference

Francisco64

henryporter wrote: »

For anyone to go out and survey the existing dwelling and site (for the purpose of ensuring what they design fits and works with the existing house), producing a design that is agreeable to the client (providing whatever documentation is needed to achieve that), and then generating the documentation necessary to make a valid planning application (with potential pre-planning discussions with local authority) I think €1400 ex VAT is excellent value. Not everything in life should be reduced to Lidl mentality.

Thanks, Henry!

eoinzy2000

Can an architectural technologist be an assigned certifier? I thought it had to ba registered architect, registered building surveyor or chartered engiineer

Gumbo

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Can an architectural technologist be an assigned certifier? I thought it had to ba registered architect, registered building surveyor or chartered engiineer

He may be opting out if required. It sounds like the op is engaging the professional to have impartial professional advice which is a good thing.

It's also worth noting that if this is indeed a domestic shed, it is exempt from building regulations.