Tyre recommendation

jeffk

I have a Toyota Corolla 2002 with 175/70 R14 847 kormoran impulser b tyres on it.

I am looking at getting two new ones for the front, but don't want the same make/model as i find them nosy/wheel spin in the rain when taking off and if you're not careful slide into corners.

I originally paid €65 each(turning down €85 for another make/model), so probable thinking id got for €85 or maybe slightly more if need be

Any recommendations on a tyre and/or place to get them fitted(Blanchardstown or Navan area) please

fancy pigeon

jeffk wrote: »

I have a Toyota Corolla 2002 with 175/70 R14 847 Hankook tyres on it.

I am looking at getting two new ones for the front, but don't want the same make/model as i find them nosy/wheel spin in the rain when taking off and if you're not careful slide into corners.

I originally paid €65 each(turning down €85 for another make/model), so probable thinking id got for €85 or maybe slightly more if need be

Any recommendations on a tyre and/or place to get them fitted(Blanchardstown or Navan area) please

Tyrehunter Trim road. Best in the town

Atlantic Dawn

Bridgestone Turanza are good.

Esel

Put the new tyres on the rear, not the front.

jeffk

Esel wrote:

Put the new tyres on the rear, not the front.

Why?

Front are almost gone, be madness to put older tyres on front and new on back on front wheeled car.

Esel

jeffk wrote: »

Why?

Front are almost gone, be madness to put older tyres on front and new on back on front wheeled car.

I know it's counter-intuitive, but it is what the major manufacturers recommend. Much more control in the wet, much less risk of oversteer or fishtailing.

Plenty of info on google and YouTube.

Damien360

Esel wrote: »

I know it's counter-intuitive, but it is what the major manufacturers recommend. Much more control in the wet, much less risk of oversteer or fishtailing.

Plenty of info on google and YouTube.

Never heard that before. Front ones always wear quicker on front wheeled cars. I would fear understeer if I did'nt change them or failure to get out of a junction without spinning on the spot in the wet.

risteard7

fancy pigeon wrote: »

Tyrehunter Trim road. Best in the town

Have to get new tyres myself shortly. I heard tyre "Hangar" were supposed to be very good in Navan?

grogi

Damien360 wrote: »

Never heard that before. Front ones always wear quicker on front wheeled cars. I would fear understeer if I did'nt change them or failure to get out of a junction without spinning on the spot in the wet.

Understeer is much easier to control than oversteer...

What Esel is suggesting is to put the rear wheels to the front and new tyres to the back, replacing the worn ones.

Esel

Damien360 wrote: »

Never heard that before. Front ones always wear quicker on front wheeled cars. I would fear understeer if I did'nt change them or failure to get out of a junction without spinning on the spot in the wet.

Seriously, do some research on this.
http://www.google.ie/search?q=new+tyres+on+back+or+front&oq=new+tyres+on+back+or+front&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.12...0.0.1.1732.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..34.mobile-heirloom-serp..0.6.1490.Lw4JrbRN7ro

colm_mcm

This wisdom seems to be based on having 2 good tyres and 2 bad tyres.

jeffk

Interesting about where to put them.

But the old tyres I have annoy me spinning when taking off in the rain. So I wouldn't see the benefit of still having this after paying out on new tyres

grogi

jeffk wrote: »

Interesting about where to put them.

But the old tyres I have annoy me spinning when taking off in the rain. So I wouldn't see the benefit of still having this after paying out on new tyres

That's exactly why you should have the better tyres at the back.

If the front spins - you know you don't have traction... I the back does not have traction - you'll only know a few seconds too late...

jeffk

grogi wrote: »

That's exactly why you should have the better tyres at the back.

If the front spins - you know you don't have traction... I the back does not have traction - you'll only know a few seconds too late...

So I should spend money replacing tyres because they spin out or drift if i corner hard to have the same symptoms but at least Ive new ones on the rear?

Esel

colm_mcm wrote: »

This wisdom seems to be based on having 2 good tyres and 2 bad tyres.

No, it's based on having 2 good and 2 better tyres.

@OP: Have you had these issues since the tyres were new, or just since they have become worn?

Sorry for taking tire thread of-topic btw. :

Hopefully you will get some recommendations.

Me, I go 'Grade A' brand-name part-worn from Tyreland - but that's off-topic too. :

jeffk

Esel wrote: »

No, it's based on having 2 good and 2 better tyres.

@OP: Have you had these issues since the tyres were new, or just since they have become worn?

Sorry for taking tire thread of-topic btw. :

Hopefully you will get some recommendations.

Me, I go 'Grade A' brand-name part-worn from Tyreland - but that's off-topic too. :

I think after a bit of wear, mentioned it to my mechanic and said yeah they will do that as they are chinese ones.

Talking to someone recomending Lup Tyre Centre in Mulhuddart, two part worn for €70

sunnysoutheast

jeffk wrote: »

So I should spend money replacing tyres because they spin out or drift if i corner hard to have the same symptoms but at least Ive new ones on the rear?

The general advice seems to be, whether your car is fwd or rwd, is that the "better" tyres go on the back. The theory being that understeer is easier to correct than oversteer. I have always followed this, but my cars are either rwd or quattro.

If you have, or if I had, a powerful fwd car I would probably put the new tyres on the front and then rotate after a while to even out wear.

It probably all depends on whether you run the rears down to legal mins or not and the difference between the tread depth in e.g. heavy rain.

Esel

jeffk wrote: »

I think after a bit of wear, mentioned it to my mechanic and said yeah they will do that as they are chinese ones.

Talking to someone recomending Lup Tyre Centre in Mulhuddart, two part worn for €70

Hankook are generally a good mid-range brand - not all Chinese tyres are bad...

Give Tyreland a call - they are probably the leaders in the part-worn market.

jeffk

Had a google,seen a video, that's me told then,new on back and old ones on the front

bazz26

Discount Tyres in Blanchardstown get recommended too.

jeffk

bazz26 wrote:

Discount Tyres in Blanchardstown get recommended too.

Use to use them for servicing etc, after numerous issues stopped, so wouldn't give them any business again

166man

In no particular order;

- Discount tyres Blanchardstown is the best place I have been to for tyres.

- Put the new ones on the front is what I have normally done. If the back tyres are bad then they get replaced too and I eat beans on toast for a few weeks.

- Part worns are a waste of time. I tried them multiple times and never seems to work out. Always end up buying new tyres.

Esel

The earth is flat, no matter what anyone else says.

166man

Esel wrote: »

The earth is flat, no matter what anyone else says.

Not allowed have opinion based on experience no?

Esel

166man wrote: »

Not allowed have opinion based on experience no?

But it's not experience (on the front/rear issue) - it's faulty reasoning that usually goes: FWD, so better tyres on the front because it seems very logical that that's where you need the most 'grip', for driving, braking, and steering. I've been there / done that multiple times, as I'm sure most of us have. Never lost the back end...But circumstances and conditions can conspire to teach us hard lessons so never say never.

However, when presented with factual information that challenges my mindset, I would hope that I would try to look at it with an open mind no matter how counter-intuitive it seems, and revise my opinion if convinced. Jebus, I sound like a Jesuit!

I mean, look up countersteering on a motorcycle - when travelling at normal (not walking pace) speed you turn the front wheel to the right to initiate your entry to a left-hand bend (you lean left though). How counter-intuitive is that? Very. But every rider does it, even if they don't know what it's called. To initiate a left-turn, you push on the left handle bar grip. That's mad, Ted! . Same on a bicycle.

Don't shoot the messenger, and always pay close attention to the vanishing point in the twisties.

Next week: The Contact Patch.

selectamatic

Best tyres on the rear of a fwd car is the recommended procedure because in an emergency situation where a car aquaplanes on standing water if the rear loses traction most drivers panic and brake and completely lose control usually with disastrous consequences. With the best tyres on the back this is less likely to happen.

However a side from that very dangerous scenario it is accepted to be better to have the best tyres on the front.
More grip for braking (fwd brake bias to front) and more grip for drive/cornering.
Understeer is imo more dangerous than oversteer although understeer is predictable in so much as you know where you're pointing and skidding to; you're still a passenger when a car badly understeers ya let off the accelerator and pray the wheels catch grip and that's pretty much all ya can do except for maybe a dab of brakes to transfer momentum to the front of the car.
Where as oversteer you steer and slightly power out of it. Lift off oversteer is actually seen as a positive by pro drivers understeer is a no no purely because you can control one to an extent and you can't the other.

When a peugeot partner is your first vehicle as a teenager ya experience both sides of the above especially on spirited country road drives :P

But the real moral of the story is rotate your tyres at each service to insure a more even wear pattern between front to back therefore a more even distribution of grip. And always look out for standing water!

fancy pigeon

risteard7 wrote: »

Have to get new tyres myself shortly. I heard tyre "Hangar" were supposed to be very good in Navan?

Never dealt with them myself so can't vouch for or against

jeffk

Tyreland
Got a number to answer(they must be busy or issues as they use internet phones)
49 Consteeny
63 Kormoa
30 part worn
Lup Tyre Centre
55 Ravelo
No part worn
Tyre Hunter
Constancy (not right spelling)50
No part worn
Tyre hanger
30 part worn, 30 or so different brands you can have a look
New
Falken 60
50 Didn’t get name new
Recommended Falken, as he said only 10 more

fancy pigeon

Don't get fobbed off with constancy plastic tyres, they have other brands in stock

When I was buying tyres for my old car, I was told about linglong this and kingrats that. "Listen, I don't want bullsh*te tyres on my car" was my very blunt response to the fitter in person.

Ended up with Hankooks for €100 a corner inc tracking

jeffk

Looked into my receipts

I have kormoran impulser b on them since 2013 at a cost of 65 each, got 4 at the time

jeffk

I am now thinking

Do I spend 120 on new tyres (for the back)
Or
130 on four part worn for the whole car

I spent 230 or or so 3 years ago and only the front is almost nearly gone, so I don’t do that much driving to warrant a big name brand tyre (I think)

shietpilot

Part worns are a waste of time. Buy them and put them on the front unless you want to buy 2 more tyres in the near future because you put the bad tyres on the front