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Ohm's law V=I×R???

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  • 03-09-2016 10:30pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 4


    Hi. I was just wondering about the used resistor in ohm's law circuit. In our textbook it uses a heating coil in a beaker of water. My question is if the temperature of the heating coil changes (increases) does the resistance not change? therefore the resistance is not constant ohm's law shouldn't apply? It's probably an easy answer question but I'd greatly appreciate if anyone could help. Thanks


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  • Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Icemancometh


    Rose2000 wrote: »
    Hi. I was just wondering about the used resistor in ohm's law circuit. In our textbook it uses a heating coil in a beaker of water. My question is if the temperature of the heating coil changes (increases) does the resistance not change? therefore the resistance is not constant ohm's law shouldn't apply? It's probably an easy answer question but I'd greatly appreciate if anyone could help. Thanks

    Not a physicist, but I'll give my uneducated reply. The resistance changes (increases with heat), but Ohm's law still applies, just with a different resistance. A comparison would be with a moving car. Air resistance increases with velocity (velocity squared I think). So a car might be accelerating according to the formula F=ma, but as velocity increases, a reduces due to air resistance (assuming constant thrust).

    There are some clips on YouTube of people cooling conductors to demonstrate the change in amperage due to the reduced resistance. Pretty cool demonstration of the principle.

    Cooling increases current increases power of electromagnet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    It will increase but only a small bit. I suppose the beaker is a bad example because the temperature doesnt stay constant. If it was a heating element inside in a pipe with water flowing past it the whole time it will stay constant


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Rose2000 wrote: »
    Hi. I was just wondering about the used resistor in ohm's law circuit. In our textbook it uses a heating coil in a beaker of water. My question is if the temperature of the heating coil changes (increases) does the resistance not change? therefore the resistance is not constant ohm's law shouldn't apply? It's probably an easy answer question but I'd greatly appreciate if anyone could help. Thanks

    kinda


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    more later


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    This may help

    http://www.explainthatstuff.com/resistors.html
    The resistance of a resistor isn't constant, even if it's a certain material of a fixed length and area: it steadily increases as the temperature increases. Why? The hotter a material, the more its atoms or ions jiggle about and the harder it is for electrons to wriggle through, which translates into higher electrical resistance. Broadly speaking, the resistivity of most materials increases linearly with temperature (so if you increase the temperature by 10 degrees, the resistivity increases by a certain amount, and if you increase it by another 10 degrees, the resistivity rises by the same amount again)

    Ohms law still applies ontop of this.


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