E85 petrol in Munster

fonecrusher1

Howdy all,

I know Maxol dropped E85 a few years ago because our spineless government slapped a hefty tax on it but is there anywhere that still offers it in the Munster region?

Thanks

mikeecho

There is no e85 anywhere in the republic.


Unless you buy ethanol and bulk up regular petrol with it yourself.

Technically, you would have to declare it and pay addition taxes.

There may also be licencing issues, revenue would be your best source of additional info.

CiniO

what is e85?

pajor

CiniO wrote: »

what is e85?

85% ethanol, 15% unleaded.

Could be used in a few cars from Ford and Volvo. Maybe others too, can't remember. Government subsidised it a lot. It was quite cheap/litre. Then the economy went tits up and the subsidies were pulled. Only station that sold it was Maxol and without subsidies it costs more than unleaded.

To get side tracked.. my mum considered buying a 1.8 FFV Focus estate in 2009. What put her off though was the high motor tax on it. There were two CO2 figures, one for E85 use and the other for unleaded. But it's taxed at the higher rate. She ended up going for a daysel Octavia, which she still has.

E85 is quite popular in France afaik.

Esel

pajor wrote: »

85% ethanol, 15% unleaded.

Could be used in a few cars from Ford and Volvo. Maybe others too, can't remember.

Saab bio-power engines too. A fair bhp increase using it.

coylemj

Esel wrote: »

Saab bio-power engines too. A fair bhp increase using it.

Can't see how - ethanol has less energy per litre than 95 unleaded. It would have a higher octane rating so no problem with high compression engines but adding ethanol into petrol would give you less MPG because of the lower energy rating (megajoules per litre) of the mixture.

foxy farmer

I burned it for a spell in a Ffv Focus. Engine response was fine but could never do 30 mpg on straight E85. Burned it like water and smelled like Bushmills distillery!! At the time i was buying it petrol was around 1.26 and E85 was 1.06. Not sure what year. 2010-11 most likely. Running on petrol a long time now.

Water John

Was Maxol's ethanol sourced from Carbery Milk Processor?

ianobrien

I remember a MCM video of getting the Mini Supercharged (I think) and I recall that they had to use a higher flow fuelpump (or injectors) to run the E85 fuel due to the lower energy per litre. Basically, it gave more power but used more of the fuel. I could have the exact video wrong though.

OP, if the ordinary fuel is "not enough", try adding Miller CVL or CVL Turbo.

Del2005

pajor wrote: »

85% ethanol, 15% unleaded.

Could be used in a few cars from Ford and Volvo. Maybe others too, can't remember. Government subsidised it a lot. It was quite cheap/litre. Then the economy went tits up and the subsidies were pulled. Only station that sold it was Maxol and without subsidies it costs more than unleaded.



E85 is quite popular in France afaik.

The subsidy was pulled because like most "green" initiatives E85 was a scam. Thousands of hectares of land converted to bio fuel production when people are starving to death. Until bio fuel can be made from the waste from food production it's as green as wind power.

scurnane

Water John wrote: »

Was Maxol's ethanol sourced from Carbery Milk Processor?

Yes I think you're right. Ethanol is still produced there as a by-product.

Water John

A bit of it burned there yesterday in the fire.
Sadly for Del, that source doesn't support his viewpoint.
Seems to be in the minority in not viewing wind power as 'green'.

BorneTobyWilde

No Ethanol and no Biodiesel either .
You would think they would produce biodiesel solely for artic trucks, so many of them have ok'ed biodiesel for use, Scania, Mercedes, Volvo so on.
They would burn a lot.
Doesn't blending biodiesel with diesel just contaminate the biodiesel, it would be like making a sandwich with 75% butter and 25% diesel, would ruin it .

Esel

coylemj wrote: »

Can't see how - ethanol has less energy per litre than 95 unleaded. It would have a higher octane rating so no problem with high compression engines but adding ethanol into petrol would give you less MPG because of the lower energy rating (megajoules per litre) of the mixture.

In the standard Saab Bio Power 2.0t engine - 185bhp from E85, 150bhp from petrol. The ECU determines what fuel is in use, and applies some wizardry, apparently. I presume it can adjust for the actual percentage of ethanol e.g. say you had a half tank of E85 and filled up with unleaded (E5). I know its all academic here now, as E85 is no longer available.