David Wacman Retiring

Lt Dan

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=19666524&category=0


http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/david-wachman-to-wind-up-training-career-at-end-of-season-1.2771930

Wachman is to retire. A bit drastic. While 20 years in the game, he is still pretty young, and , ahem, well connected.

Alas winners have not followed up after 2015, and some won't be surprised, but , surely we don't want to see young guys like him packing it in.?

tryfix

Sad to see that, I thought that when he had a really good one he trained it as well as any of the top flat guys would. Seems to have been getting less and less quality scraps from the Coolmore table in the last few years.

Probably a good personal? decision as opportunities for him were declining and there's a glut of hungry young trainers about now who are well capable of competing at the highest level.

Lt Dan

tryfix wrote: »

Sad to see that, I thought that when he had a really good one he trained it as well as any of the top flat guys would. Seems to have been getting less and less quality scraps from the Coolmore table in the last few years.

Probably a good personal? decision as opportunities for him were declining and there's a glut of hungry young trainers about now who are well capable of competing at the highest level.

Just shows how tough it is in Ireland, being such a small country. Can't really say it is closed (for Wachman) because, well, his has good connections. He had a few decent horses with Niarchos / Flaxman too , Duntle.

Sure Eddie Lynam has a fair few British Group 1's and not 1 Irish Group 1 , he struggles to get any biggest names on board bar the Power Family and Clippers.

Not want we want to see. He is only 45 so that is young. Good luck to him

kfallon

Think he might have more pressing matters at home!

Kauto

Lt Dan wrote: »

Just shows how tough it is in Ireland, being such a small country. Can't really say it is closed (for Wachman) because, well, his has good connections. He had a few decent horses with Niarchos / Flaxman too , Duntle.

Sure Eddie Lynam has a fair few British Group 1's and not 1 Irish Group 1 , he struggles to get any biggest names on board bar the Power Family and Clippers.

Not want we want to see. He is only 45 so that is young. Good luck to him

Nothing to do with it being tough. If he wanted 100 horses he could have them!

nuckeythompson

kfallon wrote:

Think he might have more pressing matters at home!

Like?

tryfix

Kauto wrote: »

Nothing to do with it being tough. If he wanted 100 horses he could have them!

He seemed to have been disillusioned for a while with the training game. IIRC even when he was being lauded over Legatissimo's wins he was chippy enough in interviews over the chances he was getting to train enough really good horses.

the groutch

I think he was hoping to be the heir to AOB's throne, but with Joseph in on it too now there's no chance of that happening.

Andalucia

strange one, hasn't got the results the past couple of years, hence you don't get access to the ammunition

did manage to train a few decent fillies in his time - no colts of significance though

nice to be able to retire at 45

I said

the groutch wrote: »

I think he was hoping to be the heir to AOB's throne, but with Joseph in on it too now there's no chance of that happening.

I always thought he was getting the better fillies at one stage maybe 4-5 years back

diomed

Anyone else think he might be freeing himself up to move into another area of the business?

Lt Dan

diomed wrote: »

Anyone else think he might be freeing himself up to move into another area of the business?

Well I hope so in the sense, that he is still young enough and good enough to attract good owners. I hope the decision is not based on a bad spell.

I know he is going through a lean period but sure, John Oxx is too and he is enduring. Look at the more extreme with Henry Cecil

I hear it is more for family reasons.

Good trainer. Even if he did get a nice supply of horses, they still had to be brought on to win races.

tryfix

I said wrote: »

I always thought he was getting the better fillies at one stage maybe 4-5 years back

Not too sure about that, it was more a case of him getting a lot of Danehill Dancer fillies ( Magnier? ) who happened to be very nice horses + what appears to be a few nice potential broodmare prospects from the Galileo line to have a bash at. His operation was like a warehouse for potential broodmares and IIRC? when they were hot he got SFA of the Coolmore Danehill's and Sadler's Wells fillies in comparison to what went O'Brien's way. I feel that in the last few years Ballydoyle grabbed more and more of the better racing material Coolmore stock leaving less and less to go Watchman's way. In fairness O'Brien's operation was a better base for that racing stock.