New car

forumdedum

So I am buying a new car. Sold car privately so I'm going with 'cash'.

I love the Jaguar F-Pace, not sure I can afford it though. Also strongly considering an EV like the BMW i3 (need as long range as possible and I think i3 is currently longest?)

Possibly a VW Passat Estate.

Any recommendations? Last new car i bought was 9 years ago so I'm a little out of touch.

porsche boy

Jaguar F Pace
BMW i3
VW Passat.

3 very different cars there. What do you need? Off road capabilities, fuel efficiency or a big boot ??
I mean the difference in interior size between the 3 is huge. The fuel efficiency between the three is huge. Couldn't comment on the retail price difference. To me it seems your not sure what you want.

Buy a 911.

bazz26

A BMW i3, Jaguar F-Pace and VW Passat estate are at opposite ends of the spectrum to each other and there are miles of choices in between those too. You need to draw up a list of needs and wants in order to figure out what type of car suits you.

thierry14

Buy a model S 😉
Power, economy, size

forumdedum

thierry14 wrote: »

Buy a model S 😉
Power, economy, size

forumdedum

porsche boy wrote: »

Jaguar F Pace
BMW i3
VW Passat.

3 very different cars there. What do you need? Off road capabilities, fuel efficiency or a big boot ??
I mean the difference in interior size between the 3 is huge. The fuel efficiency between the three is huge. Couldn't comment on the retail price difference. To me it seems your not sure what you want.

Buy a 911.

That is very true. I don't need off road capabilities. I am interested in fuel efficiency. I may be able to live without a big boot. I'm usually the only driver, rarely passengers.

I agree, I am not sure. Thank you

forumdedum

bazz26 wrote: »

A BMW i3, Jaguar F-Pace and VW Passat estate are at opposite ends of the spectrum to each other and there are miles of choices in between those too. You need to draw up a list of needs and wants in order to figure out what type of car suits you.

Thank you for the advice. I know a lot of people go for SUVs when Estates are really what they need. I would only pack the boot occasionally, in fact rarely

bazz26

What sort of annual mileage are you doing? What type of driving is it, city driving or mostly motorway?

What sort of budget do you have?

forumdedum

bazz26 wrote: »

What sort of annual mileage are you doing? What type of driving is it, city driving or mostly motorway?

What sort of budget do you have?

My annual mileage is probably between 17,000km and 20,000km per annum. I drive from Drogheda to Dublin up to 5 days a week. I use the M1, not sure exactly how many kms that stretch is.

If I was to buy the BMW i3 or Jaguar F-Pace I'd likely have to lease, which I've never done before.

If borrowing from say Credit Union, I wouldn't like to go above a 3 or 4 year loan.

noelf

If you go with a electric car do you have access to a charge point at work ?

bazz26

You should consider a hybrid also.

forumdedum

noelf wrote: »

If you go with a electric car do you have access to a charge point at work ?

No there isn't

forumdedum

bazz26 wrote: »

You should consider a hybrid also.

What ones would you recommend?

bazz26

Lexus/Toyota probably have the most comprehensive list of battery based hybrids on the market. Most of the Lexus range are hybrid these days from hatchbacks/saloons and SUVs. You then have plug in hybrids like the BMW 330e, VW Golf/Passat GTE (saloons/hatchbacks) and Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (SUV).

bazz26

BMW 330e:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/BMW/3-Series/330e-M/201214658351030780/

Lexus IS300h:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Lexus/IS300H/PREMIUM/200914647122116140/

Lexus NX300h:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Lexus/NX300H/300-HYBRID/383022281983450598/

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Mitsubishi/Outlander/2.0-PHEV/200914647703922800/

VW Golf GTE:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Volkswagen/Golf/GTE/201014643594713900/

VW Passat GTE:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201214643594733490&message=You%20searched%20for%3A%20Volkswagen%20Passat%2E%20Your%20search%20returned%20one%20vehicle%2C%20which%20is%20shown%20below%2E&CFID=153566738&CFTOKEN=67174123&jsessionid=f030898289ac278432a4771b22e5a2c1e756

Volvo V60:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Volvo/V60/D6-AWD/8306621964241009044/

forumdedum

bazz26 wrote: »

BMW 330e:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/BMW/3-Series/330e-M/201214658351030780/

Lexus IS300h:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Lexus/IS300H/PREMIUM/200914647122116140/

Lexus NX300h:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Lexus/NX300H/300-HYBRID/383022281983450598/

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Mitsubishi/Outlander/2.0-PHEV/200914647703922800/

VW Golf GTE:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Volkswagen/Golf/GTE/201014643594713900/

VW Passat GTE:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201214643594733490&message=You%20searched%20for%3A%20Volkswagen%20Passat%2E%20Your%20search%20returned%20one%20vehicle%2C%20which%20is%20shown%20below%2E&CFID=153566738&CFTOKEN=67174123&jsessionid=f030898289ac278432a4771b22e5a2c1e756

Volvo V60:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Volvo/V60/D6-AWD/8306621964241009044/

Thank you. Anyone care to elaborate on the Passat GTE? Versus a fully EV?

bazz26

The likes of the Passat GTE have a regular petrol engine that works in conjunction with the electric motor. The electric motor can either be charged via the petrol engine or by being plugged into the mains. A full EV car only has an electric motor that's charged from the mains so it's range would obviously be shorter than a PHEV.

forumdedum

bazz26 wrote: »

The likes of the Passat GTE have a regular petrol engine that works in conjunction with the electric motor. The electric motor can either be charged via the petrol engine or by being plugged into the mains. A full EV car only has an electric motor that's charged from the mains so it's range would obviously be shorter than a PHEV.

Thank you for your advice. Seems VW GTEs only do 30 miles on battery & also petrol kicks in when over 80 mph

bazz26

They are not particularly cheap to buy here either.

Recent thread here worth reading about the BMW 330e if your interested in one of them:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057551941

forumdedum

bazz26 wrote: »

They are not particularly cheap to buy here either.

Recent thread here worth reading about the BMW 330e if your interested in one of them:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057551941

Indeed prices are high. A new 330e would be out of my price range.

forumdedum

I'm leaning towards buying a VW Tiguan Highline. Still haven't written off the Passat Estate. Decisions!

forumdedum

OSI wrote: »

Then so is an F-Pace and i3 surely?

Good point I could possibly stretch to those on PCP. That would mean F-Pace with absolutely no extras. I really don't know much about the 330e.

AndyBoBandy

forumdedum wrote: »

Good point I could possibly stretch to those on PCP. That would mean F-Pace with absolutely no extras. I really don't know much about the 330e.

Why bother buying a high end car with no extras?

I'd much rather have mid range with a full suite of extras than have a bare high end car.

forumdedum

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Why bother buying a high end car with no extras?

I'd much rather have mid range with a full suite of extras than have a bare high end car.

Yes I agree. I remember now I did take a quick look at the 330e when it was mentioned. It's in the €50K zone and I can't go there.

The BMW i3 I was considering is almost €41K with some of the extras I'd like. That €41K would be my max. While not EVs the Highline Tiguan represents more 'car' for less money, lots of extras.

For €42K the Passat GTE Hybrid is a consideration. Also seems plenty of 'car'

bazz26

forumdedum wrote: »

Yes I agree. I remember now I did take a quick look at the 330e when it was mentioned. It's in the €50K zone and I can't go there.

The BMW i3 I was considering is almost €41K with some of the extras I'd like. That €41K would be my max. While not EVs the Highline Tiguan represents more 'car' for less money, lots of extras.

For €42K the Passat GTE Hybrid is a consideration. Also seems plenty of 'car'

At 42k the Passat GTE is the entry level model with very little in the way of extras.

Why not just go at a conventional diesel Passat or Superb so:

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Skoda/Superb/STYLE-2.0TDI/5211747119489322893/

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Volkswagen/Passat/HL-BE/6423676913409905268/

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Volkswagen/Passat/EST.-HLBE/201014646328891230/

R.O.R

When looking at prices of Hybrids, you need to figure out whether the price is before or after the grant/VRT Relief.

Passat GTE Saloon price of €41,565 is after the €7,500 has been taken off, but the V60 Twin Engine (for example) at €52,735 is before the €7,500 is taken off so the comparable figure is €45,235

noelf

Audi A3 hybrid €43829 ... Audi North Dublin

PS They do a great coffee

carsfan2

OP has a seperate thread about buying an electric car and another about gte Passat/ golf. Maybe a mod might merge them as bottom line is op looking for ideas re best new car for him/ her?

forumdedum

bazz26 wrote: »

At 42k the Passat GTE is the entry level model with very little in the way of extras.

Here is the brochure for the Passat GTE. What extras do you think are missing in comparison to the Highline version?

http://www.volkswagen.ie/content/medialib/vwd4/ie/pdf-downloads/product-guides/passat---passat-estate-gte/_jcr_content/renditions/rendition.download_attachment.file/160330as_Passat-GTE-product-guide-2016.pdf

VictorRomeo

I think the 330e is far better value than the Passat GTE... It's also way more powerful. After grants and rebates one can have a 250hp 3 series in SE trim (with metallic, Nav and leather) for broadly the same price as the GTE (leather is an extra €2k+ option in the GTE, standard in the BMW). The 330e Sport is a great sweet spot and throw in Nav Professional if you like some tech, 18" alloys for 500 and it's perfect... less than €44k OTR easy...

Drive both. I have. The GTE is nice nut not a patch on the 3 - it's lovely...

Personally, VW has priced the GTE completely out of the market now that the 330e has arrived...

Casati

VictorRomeo wrote: »

I think the 330e is far better value than the Passat GTE... It's also way more powerful. After grants and rebates one can have a 250hp 3 series in SE trim (with metallic, Nav and leather) for broadly the same price as the GTE (leather is an extra €2k+ option in the GTE, standard in the BMW). The 330e Sport is a great sweet spot and throw in Nav Professional if you like some tech, 18" alloys for 500 and it's perfect... less than €44k OTR easy...

Drive both. I have. The GTE is nice nut not a patch on the 3 - it's lovely...

Personally, VW has priced the GTE completely out of the market now that the 330e has arrived...

I think that 330e does look great value, but in fairness its still a bit dearer than the VW and its a smaller car. Also I haven't priced the 330e in a dealer but my guess is that they won't give much of a cash discount where as the op should get 2k off the list price of the VW

bazz26

The GTE is not going to be a volume seller so there is no guarantee that a dealer will give you anywhere near 2k off one.

VictorRomeo

Casati wrote: »

I think that 330e does look great value, but in fairness its still a bit dearer than the VW and its a smaller car. Also I haven't priced the 330e in a dealer but my guess is that they won't give much of a cash discount where as the op should get 2k off the list price of the VW

But it's not.... The saloon GTE Starts at €42.725.... that includes the SEAI Grant and the VAT reduction... Build your 3 Series online, then deduct €7.5k... Meaning you can have a somewhat better spec'd SE trim for a tiny bit cheaper than the GTE...

http://www.bmw.ie/en/all-models/3-series/sedan/2015/bmw-3-series-offer.html

A grand or two more and you'll have an amazing looking Sport. €45k will get an M-Sport... I think the size is marginally in favour of the Passat but the new model 3 is a spacious car.

Discounts will come into play depending on how you pay for it... Finance it'll be minimal.

I think the GTE though will have to be heavily discounted as it's just waaay too expensive when compared to the 330e.

Casati

VictorRomeo wrote: »

But it's not.... The saloon GTE Starts at €42.725.... that includes the SEAI Grant and the VAT reduction... Build your 3 Series online, then deduct €7.5k... Meaning you can have a somewhat better spec'd SE trim for a tiny bit cheaper than the GTE...

http://www.bmw.ie/en/all-models/3-series/sedan/2015/bmw-3-series-offer.html

A grand or two more and you'll have an amazing looking Sport. €45k will get an M-Sport... I think the size is marginally in favour of the Passat but the new model 3 is a spacious car.

Discounts will come into play depending on how you pay for it... Finance it'll be minimal.

I think the GTE though will have to be heavily discounted as it's just waaay too expensive when compared to the 330e.

Apologies I thought they were over 45k base plus delivery, strike my comments on the GTE so!

Agreed the 330e looks like serious value - even the SE includes metallic paint so buying the bog standard model at 42k looks much value than the Passat and should be a seriously cheap car to run.

VictorRomeo

Casati wrote: »

Apologies I thought they were over 45k base plus delivery, strike my comments on the GTE so!

Agreed the 330e looks like serious value - even the SE includes metallic paint so buying the bog standard model at 42k looks much value than the Passat and should be a seriously cheap car to run.

That and it's way more powerful! 250hp and 0 - 100k in 6.1! I intend to buy one for 172.... They'll have it in the 4-Series then and that's my target.

digiman

VictorRomeo wrote: »

That and it's way more powerful! 250hp and 0 - 100k in 6.1! I intend to buy one for 172.... They'll have it in the 4-Series then and that's my target.

Any rumours on this? I'm also planning to get a 4GC hybrid if the €7.5k discount is still running.

Leonard Hofstadter

digiman wrote: »

Any rumours on this? I'm also planning to get a 4GC hybrid if the €7.5k discount is still running.

BMW will offer anything they think sells, so I'd very much expect there will be a 430e at that stage.

In addition, they sold out their entire 2016 plug-in production back at the end of June, so anything ordered since then isn't going to be delivered until next year, they didn't think there would be such interest in Europe (nearly half of F30s sold in Norway and Holland are 330es now thanks to various Government incentives in these countries), and they will react to that level of demand. BMW is a pragmatic company and what they offer is driven by customer demand even though some of what they're selling makes me want to vomit (2 series active tourer for example).

bazz26

The 4 Series uses the same drivetrain as the 3 Series so adapting it for the 4 Series isn't a huge undertaking. 430e GC is expected to be launched sometime next year. The rebate is a Government thing not BMW, so nobody knows if they will continue with that.

NewApproach

forumdedum wrote: »

That is very true. I don't need off road capabilities. I am interested in fuel efficiency. I may be able to live without a big boot. I'm usually the only driver, rarely passengers.

I agree, I am not sure. Thank you

Don't just buy something because a forum says to. My next car will either be a 330e bmw or a range rover. Neither particularly suitable.

VictorRomeo

digiman wrote: »

Any rumours on this? I'm also planning to get a 4GC hybrid if the €7.5k discount is still running.

Estate and 4GC & Coupe expected for 171. I'd be surprised if the grant and vat rebate was eliminated by then tho' the budget will be one to watch. The new 5 series too will get PHEV treatment - I'll be interested if they use the same petrol plant in the 330e or go with the more powerful 2L used in the 740e.

Also, I know of a couple of Dublin based dealers that have a few 330es in the system that can be configured for delivery in 162 - that's as of last week. I was sorely tempted but I'll wait for the 4CG.

Leonard Hofstadter

VictorRomeo wrote: »

Estate and 4GC & Coupe expected for 171. I'd be surprised if the grant and vat rebate was eliminated by then tho' the budget will be one to watch. The new 5 series too will get PHEV treatment - I'll be interested if they use the same petrol plant in the 330e or go with the more powerful 2L used in the 740e.

Also, I know of a couple of Dublin based dealers that have a few 330es in the system that can be configured for delivery in 162 - that's as of last week. I was sorely tempted but I'll wait for the 4CG.

I'd say they'll offer a 530e and a 540e (but perhaps not both initially), they weren't expecting to sell so many 330es in Europe, so that would necessitate offering the less powerful version, meanwhile the rest of the world likes higher powered engines than what we in Europe buy, so that necessitates a 540e.

I read a very interesting interview from the CEO of Alpina on autocar recently, basically BMW won't be offering their plug-ins with anything more than four cylinders for the time being, I guess it will have to get more popular first before we see six cylinder derivatives.

One thing I've often wondered with plug-ins is why is there such a need for complexity in terms of the combustion engine?

Seeing as they're so easily able to circumvent the EU rules and get such apparently low CO2 emissions, why bother with all this sophisticated technology for the combustion engine, especially as in the real world, there is no difference between a super duper downsized turbocharged, direct injected petrol, and an old school naturally aspirated port injection engine with much larger capacity?

Why not offer plug-ins with larger capacity NA engines? The engines may be getting smaller, but turbos and direct injection don't come cheap.

Also, port injection engines don't produce any particulates whatsoever, so there is no need for particulate filters (which are coming to petrol engines in the not too distant future unfortunately).

Making the combustion engine a bit more 'old fashioned' would rapidly reduce the cost differential between a standard high tech petrol engined car and a plug-in hybrid, and would increase the uptake, not to mention preserve larger engined cars for those of us who value reliability and ease of maintenance.

If BMW went back to NA engines for the plug-ins a 330e or 530e could have a silky smooth six cylinder petrol engine instead of a turbo'd four.

carsfan2

We're going off topic here but I've read that the 530e will be released a few months after the new 5 debuts and will have the same drivetrain as 330e but will have 30hp more.
I have a 330e and find it great so far but you're not saving the planet with one of these cars.

Dia1988

Apparently the OP bought a VW Tiguan since they last posted 6 days ago but there was a scratch in bonnet when he picked it up.

VictorRomeo

Dia1988 wrote: »

Apparently the OP bought a VW Tiguan since they last posted 6 days ago but there was a scratch in bonnet when he picked it up.

Would be curious tho learn which dealer let that slip out past delivery inspection.... If was to hazard a guess the kid expert detailer that 'Lifeshined' or simply washed the car might have had something to do with it...

I worry for the state of VW in Dublin with the consolidation of dealers into a couple of large motor groups.

bazz26

It was a showroom car afaik.

forumdedum

VictorRomeo wrote: »

Would be curious tho learn which dealer let that slip out past delivery inspection.... If was to hazard a guess the kid expert detailer that 'Lifeshined' or simply washed the car might have had something to do with it...

I worry for the state of VW in Dublin with the consolidation of dealers into a couple of large motor groups.

I considered that whoever 'lifeshined' the car did it with a cloth that had a tiny stone in it which scratched the paintwork.

VictorRomeo

forumdedum wrote: »

I considered that whoever 'lifeshined' the car did it with a cloth that had a tiny stone in it which scratched the paintwork.

It's a flogged to death topic, but i would never by choice have a dealer Lifeshine or GardX a vehicle... Outrageous costs aside, quality of finish is almost always debatable...

forumdedum

VictorRomeo wrote: »

It's a flogged to death topic, but i would never by choice have a dealer Lifeshine or GardX a vehicle... Outrageous costs aside, quality of finish is almost always debatable...

Regretting it now

bazz26

Apprentice dealer valeter usually ends up applying it too.

forumdedum

Collected car. Looks perfect now thankfully. Took it for a decent drive. Love this car. A huge thank you to everyone on here for advice etc. Really appreciate the input.

Dia1988

forumdedum wrote: »

Collected car. Looks perfect now thankfully. Took it for a decent drive. Love this car. A huge thank you to everyone on here for advice etc. Really appreciate the input.

Please share a picture, as I'm sure everyone would appreciate it.