Veneen ram??

cuff92

We have a few hiltex ewes here and we ran a charrlois the last few years and had a great response and am slightly afraid to go away from him. All good points good lambs good thrives easy lamb. Easy finished. my only problem is there too bare. Farming a small number of 'commmercial' sheep along with our hill ewes the wet cold March April doesn't suit and finding year in year out have to put in bare lambs.

We ran a neighbours vendeen to clear up a few ewes and had maybe 10 lambs that have done. Decent and weren't born too bare.

I'm trying to figure out will I try veneen withe them stick to charrlois or change terminal ram??

Please nobody suggest Suffolk because i hate that word 😂😂

rangler1

cuff92 wrote: »

We have a few hiltex ewes here and we ran a charrlois the last few years and had a great response and am slightly afraid to go away from him. All good points good lambs good thrives easy lamb. Easy finished. my only problem is there too bare. Farming a small number of 'commmercial' sheep along with our hill ewes the wet cold March April doesn't suit and finding year in year out have to put in bare lambs.

We ran a neighbours vendeen to clear up a few ewes and had maybe 10 lambs that have done. Decent and weren't born too bare.

I'm trying to figure out will I try veneen withe them stick to charrlois or change terminal ram??

Please nobody suggest Suffolk because i hate that word 😂😂

Use vendeen here and lamb 120 ewe lambs to them every year as well as as the adult ewes, used to breed them pedigree, but got fed up of sheep ireland, so don't breed them pure anymore.
Like you say born hardy and with good wool and easy lambed.
Even though there's lleyn in the ewes they grade R or U3....mostly U

charolais0153

rangler1 wrote: »

Use vendeen here and lamb 120 ewe lambs to them every year as well as as the adult ewes, used to breed them pedigree, but got fed up of sheep ireland, so don't breed them pure anymore.
Like you say born hardy and with good wool and easy lambed.
Even though there's lleyn in the ewes they grade R or U3....mostly U

I'm just wondering what would a good vendeen ram lamb be worth

cuff92

rangler1 wrote: »

Use vendeen here and lamb 120 ewe lambs to them every year as well as as the adult ewes, used to breed them pedigree, but got fed up of sheep ireland, so don't breed them pure anymore.
Like you say born hardy and with good wool and easy lambed.
Even though there's lleyn in the ewes they grade R or U3....mostly U

How do you find feet?? For the few lambs we have one or two is very problematic lame every second week although it mightnt be the rams fault but we rarely see the lameness in the charllois. what should a man look out for then when picking a vendeen ram??

rangler1

cuff92 wrote: »

How do you find feet?? For the few lambs we have one or two is very problematic lame every second week although it mightnt be the rams fault but we rarely see the lameness in the charllois. what should a man look out for then when picking a vendeen ram??

I'd be very particular about footbathing here, so don't really test it, but don't seem to be any worse than texels and LLeyns that we have here.
We'd footbath everything here when they're being dosed....every 6 -8 weeks.

We used to charge 4-500 here for rams but there was a great premier sale in july so it'll be interesting to see what they make in the elte sale in tullamore on saturday, I got about 450 for them two years ago at that sale.
It'd be my luck if they get popular the year after I stop breeding them

Looking down on a vendeen ram, I like them to have good broad shoulders (surpising how many charolais lambs drop a grade for narrow shoulders in the factory) and a good rear end and length of course. Both charolais and vendeen are going down in the pastels so make sure they stand up straight in the back legs, see them walking on the concrete before you buy

charolais0153

rangler1 wrote: »

I'd be very particular about footbathing here, so don't really test it, but don't seem to be any worse than texels and LLeyns that we have here.
We'd footbath everything here when they're being dosed....every 6 -8 weeks.

We used to charge 4-500 here for rams but there was a great premier sale in july so it'll be interesting to see what they make in the elte sale in tullamore on saturday, I got about 450 for them two years ago at that sale.
It'd be my luck if they get popular the year after I stop breeding them

Looking down on a vendeen ram, I like them to have good broad shoulders (surpising how many charolais lambs drop a grade for narrow shoulders in the factory) and a good rear end and length of course. Both charolais and vendeen are going down in the pastels so make sure they stand up straight in the back legs, see them walking on the concrete before you buy

That's not too bad of a price. What are the pastels

rangler1

charolais0153 wrote: »

That's not too bad of a price. What are the pastels

mightn't have the right name there, they are the bottom three inches of the back legs, they supposed to be straight up, but some sheep have weak tendons an they are at 45 degrees to the ground and as the ram gets older and heavier they break down more until the ankle is nearly on the ground and they cant support the rams weight when he's mounting a ewe.
Supposed to be painful for the sheep when they get weak, a neighbour ended up with one at one of the elite sales in tullamore, it was hidden by a lot of straw in the pens.
I told him to throw him up, the breeder should've known better than to enter him

charolais0153

rangler1 wrote: »

mightn't have the right name there, they are the bottom three inches of the back legs, they supposed to be straight up, but some sheep have weak tendons an they are at 45 degrees to the ground and as the ram gets older and heavier they break down more until the ankle is nearly on the ground and they cant support the rams weight when he's mounting a ewe.
Supposed to be painful for the sheep when they get weak, a neighbour ended up with one at one of the elite sales in tullamore, it was hidden by a lot of straw in the pens.
I told him to throw him up, the breeder should've known better than to enter him

Slightly off topic ..
Last year we done the ram effect thing ,it worked OK but one of the texelrams had 13 ewes out of 35 over the first few days. They were all covered with yellow raddle. When spring came we only had 2 ewes lamb to him that had yellow raddle . they came later in the year and we had more texel lambs. We decided to fertility test him but he is only 30% fertile. he was lame 3 weeks ago , would that have an effect. He is a really good ram and was wondering should we let him out at all this year

rangler1

charolais0153 wrote: »

Slightly off topic ..
Last year we done the ram effect thing ,it worked OK but one of the texelrams had 13 ewes out of 35 over the first few days. They were all covered with yellow raddle. When spring came we only had 2 ewes lamb to him that had yellow raddle . they came later in the year and we had more texel lambs. We decided to fertility test him but he is only 30% fertile. he was lame 3 weeks ago , would that have an effect. He is a really good ram and was wondering should we let him out at all this year

30% is very poor and sperm quality probably poor too, when did you test him, always better to test them in the season, ie you'll get a truer result from august on. Young rams can improve as a hogget but if he's still 30% now yo'd be better off without him, he'll do the same again this year.
lameness can be debilitating and effect fertility but shouldn't be a problem if you treated him immediately.
If a ram gets a high temperature, it kills the sperm and takes 6 weeks to regenerate, unlikely your lame ram had a temperature

charolais0153

rangler1 wrote: »

30% is very poor and sperm quality probably poor too, when did you test him, always better to test them in the season, ie you'll get a truer result from august on. Young rams can improve as a hogget but if he's still 30% now yo'd be better off without him, he'll do the same again this year.
lameness can be debilitating and effect fertility but shouldn't be a problem if you treated him immediately.
If a ram gets a high temperature, it kills the sperm and takes 6 weeks to regenerate, unlikely your lame ram had a temperature

Tested today
Its just he's a very good ram and I don't like getting out of him

rangler1

charolais0153 wrote: »

Tested today
Its just he's a very good ram and I don't like getting out of him

You could let him do one service and make sure a proven ram does the repeats, but it's gong to stretch out your lambing.