Is it possible to purchase Propecia and Minoxidil in Ireland?

AlexOC9797

I can't find it anywhere.

I'm 18 and I think I'm going bald.

Day Lewin

Minoxidil is marketed under the brand name "Rogaine"
It is expensive, but effective when used correctly. Strong stuff with possible side effects: read up about it.
It is much cheaper in some other countries.

Dunno about Propecia. But all such chemicals are serious pharmaceuticals, not sweeties. Inform yourself before using them.

TerrorFirmer

Yes, both but propecia/finasteride is only via prescription. You can walk into a shop and buy regaine, but if you're going bald than regaine is useless at a young age. It's designed to slow down mature hair loss in older men. The only thing that would work in your case is propecia/finasteride. Finasteride is the exact same thing, non-patented and is literally about 10% of the price of propecia.

KungPao

"It's all snake oil, boss. Just shave your head, boss...sure look it, all the girls love Vin Diesel!!!"

ScumLord

Just remember it's vital to put gloves on before you begin treatment.

corner of hells

ScumLord wrote: »

Just remember it's vital to put gloves on before you begin treatment.

Would he not look daft with gloves in his head ?

RayM

Anyone remember The Peanut Butter Solution? The main character lost all his hair, but it grew back when he applied peanut butter to his head. He then got kidnapped by a ruthless manufacturer of magic paintbrushes.

Widdershins

Have you looked at Nioxin? I'm not sure whether it's suitable for all types of baldness but I know it has worked for someone else who had stress related hair loss which didn't naturally regrow after a year or more.

OneOfThem Stumbled

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Yes, both but propecia/finasteride is only via prescription. You can walk into a shop and buy regaine, but if you're going bald than regaine is useless at a young age.

I don't think there's much basis for saying that.

It isn't a DHT inhibitor, and works best on the crown. Its main drawback is irritation (used topically).

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

The only thing that would work in your case is propecia/finasteride. Finasteride is the exact same thing, non-patented and is literally about 10% of the price of propecia.

Finasteride is a DHT inhibitor. It seems to be unclear what the practical upshot of this is (because, strictly speaking DHT doesn't seem to have much use and is only a small bi-product of testosterone), but most negative side effects are seem to be directly caused by DHT inhibition.

Sprint Double wrote: »

If you want to castrate yourself then go ahead.

A study showed that a man regrewa full head of hair using pig lard on his head. So I would try that first.

Also castor oil combined with emu oil, coconut oil and peppermint oil is beneficial.

That entire post *seems* to lack any sort of scientific basis.

AlexOC9797

I think I have a receding hairline, would they work on that?

SEPT 23 1989

YFlyer

You will get liver failure and turn into a Homer Simpson.

Smondie

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

I
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That entire post *seems* to lack any sort of scientific basis.

i've never seen a bald emu or coconut so there's that

stimpson

Sprint Double wrote: »

Scientific basis right here.

ww.google.ie/search?ei=yD63V4nXJ83wgAahw6uADA&q=lard+baldness&oq=&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.1.0.35i39k1l3.39758.40742.0.210576.15.8.3.0.0.0.151.469.3j2.5.0....0...1c.1j4.64.mobile-gws-serp..10.5.181.3.YSCgHUSNAEY

You may be on to something there...

BrokenArrows

If you're going bald at 18 just accept your fate and shave your head.

If you plan on using those products for the rest of your life then it will cost a fortune.

Spend the money saving for a hair transplant if you want. That would be better value.

wakka12

How about just try them yourself instead of letting scare mongers online put you off. If you suffer side affects then drop it, easy as that. Finasteride will at the very least slow down your hairloss.

LordSutch

AlexOC9797 wrote: »

I can't find it anywhere.

I'm 18 and I think I'm going bald.

Go bald and be proud . . . . .

Honestly, embrace your thinning locks and get on with life. Many men have massive 'hang ups' with going bald, hence they spend thousands and spend decades trying to cover up somethng that nature intended. But you know what, its fine, its natural and the girls don't care one little bit, as long as you have some personality going for you!

They also say that one major by-product of 'male pattern baldness' is a high sex drive! So my advice to you is to buy an electric hair clippers and keep the hair on your bonce tight (no1) cut, keep it neat and you'll be fine ...

Prince William has done alright with his thinning locks.
http://static.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/styles/half/public/2016/04/08/447212-prince-william-kate-getty.jpg?itok=2fl0o182

wakka12

LordSutch wrote: »

Go bald and be proud . . . . .

Honestly, embrace your thinning locks and get on with life. Many men have massive 'hang ups' with going bald, hence they spend thousands and spend decades trying to cover up somethng that nature intended. But you know what, its fine, its natural and the girls don't care one little bit, as long as you have some personality going for you!

They also say that one major by-product of 'male pattern baldness' is a high sex drive! So my advice to you is to buy an electric hair clippers and keep the hair on your bonce tight (no1) cut, keep it neat and you'll be fine ...

Prince William has done alright with his thinning locks.
http://static.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/styles/half/public/2016/04/08/447212-prince-william-kate-getty.jpg?itok=2fl0o182

While that is quite nice advice some men just do look bad with bald heads. Why go bald when there are literally options out there to stop balding. Generic finasteride is relatively cheap.

andekwarhola

Just comb over the strands and get part-time work impersonating Bobby Charlton at Manchester United functions.

Sam Kade

AlexOC9797 wrote: »

I can't find it anywhere.

I'm 18 and I think I'm going bald.

You only think it, maybe you should find out for sure first.

LordSutch

I forgot to mention that once you start massaging minoxidil into your scalp you must keep it going for ever. Once you stop using minoxidil your hair will gradually recede to an even more advanced stage of baldness . . .

So yes, by all means start to use minoxidil (it does work), but you must then use it for life, it also has a tendency to raise your heart rate/blood pressure!

Junkyard Tom

Clare Balding.

wakka12

LordSutch wrote: »

I forgot to mention that once you start massaging minoxidil into your scalp you must keep it going for ever. Once you stop using minoxidil your hair will gradually recede to an even more advanced stage of baldness . . .

So yes, by all means start to use minoxidil (it does work), but you must then use it for life, it also has a tendency to raise your heart rate/blood pressure!

Wrong, it will simply go back to the exact stage balding you would have been at had you never used the drug. And yes you must use it everyday but you also have to brush your teeth everyday for the rest of your life but we get on just okay with that

For Forks Sake

YFlyer wrote: »

You will get liver failure and turn into a Homer Simpson.

Results of dimoxinil may vary....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Y1ukLns0w

Sir Osis of Liver.

Find the source of the stress causing the slapheadedness and deal with it.

Failing that,grow it really long on one side and fashion a combover.
The women love an oul combover.

Wigglepuppy

Go for it. You'll suddenly find yourself promoted at work, with a gravelly voiced male assistant (who may be sexually attracted to you and endlessly flatters you and builds up your confidence) willing to complete all of your difficult tasks to a particularly high standard, both at work and at home, while letting you take all the credit.

Anita Blow

Irresponsible for people to be suggesting Finasteride considering it's severe (albeit relatively rare) side effects. One should not be messing with their hormones at such a young age.

wakka12

Anita Blow wrote: »

Irresponsible for people to be suggesting Finasteride considering it's severe (albeit relatively rare) side effects. One should not be messing with their hormones at such a young age.

It is considered safe past the age of 18. Side effects cease once you stop taking the drug, if they even occur. There is a lot of misinformation and scare mongering on this thread. I am a user of finasteride with no side effects so far. Im almost 21 and only started using it relatively recently so I cant say how effective it is yet for me personally. But ALL drugs have potential side effects, I don't understand why finasteride is one that gets such a bad rap over it.

hatrickpatrick

wakka12 wrote: »

It is considered safe past the age of 18. Side effects cease once you stop taking the drug, if they even occur. There is a lot of misinformation and scare mongering on this thread. I am a user of finasteride with no side effects so far. Im almost 21 and only started using it relatively recently so I cant say how effective it is yet for me personally. But ALL drugs have potential side effects, I don't understand why finasteride is one that gets such a bad rap over it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/baldness-drug-propecia-long-lasting-possibly-permanent-sexual/story?id=16758123

Finasteride inhibits DHT which is the most potent androgen, and the most crucial androgen in terms of regulating male secondary sex characteristics. It's not surprising that it gets such a bad rap - particularly since the pharmaceutical industry and the medical community ignored patient anecdotes for years and insisted that it was perfectly safe.

Personally, I wouldn't touch any drug which inhibited 5-alpha reductase, regardless of whether that inhibition was temporary or not. You're messing with a hormone which goes right to the core of how the male reproductive system operates.

Researchers from George Washington University interviewed 54 men under age 40 who reported side effects for three months or more after taking Propecia, also called finasteride, to treat their hair loss. None of the men reported having any sexual, medical or psychiatric problems before they took the drug. Some of the men took the drug for a few weeks, others took it for years, but all of them reported side effects such as erectile dysfunction, decreased sexual drive, problems with orgasms, shrinking and painful genitals, even some neurological problems, such as depression, anxiety and mental fogginess.

For 96 percent of the men, the sexual problems lasted for more than a year after they stopped taking the drug.

"Our findings make me suspicious that this drug may have done permanent damage to these men," said Dr. Michael Irwig, the author of the study. "The chances that they will improve? I think it's lower and lower the longer they have these side effects."

wakka12

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/baldness-drug-propecia-long-lasting-possibly-permanent-sexual/story?id=16758123

Finasteride inhibits DHT which is the most potent androgen, and the most crucial androgen in terms of regulating male secondary sex characteristics. It's not surprising that it gets such a bad rap - particularly since the pharmaceutical industry and the medical community ignored patient anecdotes for years and insisted that it was perfectly safe.

Personally, I wouldn't touch any drug which inhibited 5-alpha reductase, regardless of whether that inhibition was temporary or not. You're messing with a hormone which goes right to the core of how the male reproductive system operates.

Well personally I trust those who approved the drug as safe to use and don't buy into the whole conspiracy money making thing, millions of men around the world use the drug without any major side effects and save their hair you have to remember and millions of others use it medically for prostate problems. Yes there could be hundred and hundreds of horror stories online but that is still only equates to a fraction of the number of men who use it. The ones with negative experiences are MUCH more likely to post online looking for help than men who just get on with their life if it works fine no problem.

endacl

There's an effective homeopathic remedy. Dunk yer noggin in a bucket o'water.

hatrickpatrick

wakka12 wrote: »

Well personally I trust those who approved the drug as safe to use and don't buy into the whole conspiracy money making thing, millions of men around the world use the drug without any major side effects and save their hair you have to remember and millions of others use it medically for prostate problems. Yes there could be hundred and hundreds of horror stories online but that is still only equates to a fraction of the number of men who use it. The ones with negative experiences are MUCH more likely to post online looking for help than men who just get on with their life if it works fine no problem.

Reading the article above - the number could be as high as 3%, that's 3 out of every hundred. When dealing with potentially destroying your reproductive system, that to my mind is an unforgivably high rate of side effects. It's just my opinion, but I wouldn't touch any drug with even a tiny, tiny possibility of having negative effects on my endocrine or reproductive system unless it was literally a matter of life and death. It's not something I regard as worth taking a risk on, because of the sheer, unadulterated unhappiness which awaits anyone for whom it does indeed go wrong.

captbarnacles

Finasteride worked for me but I stopped taking it for a while because I was in unexplained poor health and was eliminating things from my diet to see was that it (it wasn't the finasteride). About 3 months after stopping I lost more hair in 4 weeks than I had in 4 years.

wakka12

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Reading the article above - the number could be as high as 3%, that's 3 out of every hundred. When dealing with potentially destroying your reproductive system, that to my mind is an unforgivably high rate of side effects. It's just my opinion, but I wouldn't touch any drug with even a tiny, tiny possibility of having negative effects on my endocrine or reproductive system unless it was literally a matter of life and death. It's not something I regard as worth taking a risk on, because of the sheer, unadulterated unhappiness which awaits anyone for whom it does indeed go wrong.

Thats a very fair point. I think the risk of dangerous side effects is not nearly as high as people bang on about but I completely agree that its much too high for such a shallow cosmetic reason like keeping your hair. But for a person who's very self conscious such as myself Im trying to keep it, as losing my hair , and negatively affecting my appearance would have a much more negative impact on my mental and physical health than this drug ever could.

hatrickpatrick

wakka12 wrote: »

Thats a very fair point. I think the risk of dangerous side effects is not nearly as high as people bang on about but I completely agree that its much too high for such a shallow cosmetic reason like keeping your hair. But for a person who's very self conscious such as myself Im trying to keep it, as losing my hair , and negatively affecting my appearance would have a much more negative impact on my mental and physical health than this drug ever could.

That's fair enough too. I suffered from gynecomastia as a teenager which I had to take all manner of stuff to get a handle on - some prescribed medicines, and some... "other stuff". And I first encountered Propecia because on a forum for guys experimenting with off label ways to get rid of gyno without surgery, Propecia users were a large proportion of posters. Personally, I would feel that the risk of growing feminine nipples because of lowered androgen levels would massively trump hair loss as a self conscious appearance related side effect, but obviously I have my own bias. Going through puberty with gyno in an age of emphasis on lads being muscular, and thereby always instinctively considering myself the least attractive out of any group of lads I found myself in, was an utterly hellish experience which has done damage to my psychological health that I strongly suspect I'll never quite be able to repair.

In other words, it may only be a small percentage of people who develop such side effects, but they knock your confidence in your own masculinity in a way that nobody who's never experienced it will be able to understand.

wakka12

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's fair enough too. I suffered from gynecomastia as a teenager which I had to take all manner of stuff to get a handle on - some prescribed medicines, and some... "other stuff". And I first encountered Propecia because on a forum for guys experimenting with off label ways to get rid of gyno without surgery, Propecia users were a large proportion of posters. Personally, I would feel that the risk of growing feminine nipples because of lowered androgen levels would massively trump hair loss as a self conscious appearance related side effect, but obviously I have my own bias. Going through puberty with gyno in an age of emphasis on lads being muscular, and thereby always instinctively considering myself the least attractive out of any group of lads I found myself in, was an utterly hellish experience which has done damage to my psychological health that I strongly suspect I'll never quite be able to repair.

In other words, it may only be a small percentage of people who develop such side effects, but they knock your confidence in your own masculinity in a way that nobody who's never experienced it will be able to understand.

Aw Im really sorry you had to go through that. How come you never considered surgery to get rid of them though?

hatrickpatrick

wakka12 wrote: »

Aw Im really sorry you had to go through that. How come you never considered surgery to get rid of them though?

Same reason, too many stories of permanent disgifurement. It's a very tricky surgery to get right. Complicated by the fact that I'm already very scar ridden from several major surgeries, and finally by the fact that it did seem possible to solve it pharmaceutically.

Plus, the root cause of it was a f*cked up endocrine system and I figured why not fix that at the same time, given all the other, albeit less immediately obvious, ill effects one suffers when various hormones don't synergise the way they're supposed to.

Point is though, my experimentation with this has led me to a fairly extensive knowledge of how the endocrine system works, and I just hold the opinion that 5-AR is too critical to too many things that could affect one's physical and psychological wellbeing to risk any sort of permanent deficiency. Again, it's up to the individual, but it does seem that if you're one of the unlucky ones, the devastating side effects are difficult to reverse to the point of being virtually permanent. It's obvious up to the individual, but that's just my two cents. I guess it really depends how central one's sexuality is to one's personality and identity, whether or not it's something a person would be willing to gamble with.

Simon2015

AlexOC9797 wrote: »

I can't find it anywhere.

I'm 18 and I think I'm going bald.

Please listen to Dr Andrew Rynne's wise words on baldness "treatments".

Simon2015

wakka12 wrote: »

It is considered safe past the age of 18. Side effects cease once you stop taking the drug, if they even occur. There is a lot of misinformation and scare mongering on this thread. I am a user of finasteride with no side effects so far. Im almost 21 and only started using it relatively recently so I cant say how effective it is yet for me personally. But ALL drugs have potential side effects, I don't understand why finasteride is one that gets such a bad rap over it.

The New Zealand Ministry of Health have recently put out a warning about Propecia which includes "Penile shrinkage and numbness" as well as "Suicidal ideation".

http://medsafe.govt.nz/profs/PUArticles/March2016/PostFinasterideSyndrome.htm

Simon2015

Simon2015 wrote: »

Please listen to Dr Andrew Rynne's wise words on baldness "treatments".

I'd rather lose every lock than wear a short sleeved shirt...

boardie100

As someone that tried finesteride for a couple years I wouldn't recommend it at all...it was given to me by a relative and I stupidly took it without researching it... I got very depressed on it and didnt link the two for a long time until I did proper reading up on it... Stopping it helped me recover... I know it can be tough being so young and losing your hair but as others have said try not to let it affect your confidence as the majority of women/men won't give a toss if ur bald. Have a good read online before deciding if the really bad side effects are worth it http://www.pfsfoundation.org/

gctest50

Simon2015 wrote: »

Please listen to Dr Andrew Rynne's wise words on baldness "treatments".........

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Sh1tbag OToole

gctest50 wrote: »

Argos have a sale on lawnmowers :

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