Horrific accident.

Paulw

I pity the biker that was hit. I have no pity for the biker on the wrong side of the road.

http://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/video-warning-graphic-content-heartbroken-mother-releases-footage-of-moment-son-killed-in-fireball-motorcycle-crash-34943877.html#play

Just be careful on the roads. Some people have no consideration for others.

Chuchote

A GP told me a few years ago that student doctors from all over Ireland and Britain line up to work at the TT races in the Isle of Man, because of the experience of catastrophic injuries they'll get, experience that they're unlikely to get in any A&E.

b_mac2

I know that Biker site is hard work sometimes, but at least they won't let people post this kind of shìt up.

... you're a mod too ffs.

prunudo

b_mac2 wrote: »

I know that Biker site is hard work sometimes, but at least they won't let people post this kind of shìt up.

... you're a mod too ffs.

For the record it's on biker too.

Richard tea

b_mac2 wrote: »

I know that Biker site is hard work sometimes, but at least they won't let people post this kind of shìt up.

... you're a mod too ffs.

Hello posted what is in essence a road safety video.

Chisum

Your right to post it bikers should watch and learn.
Feel sorry for both of them RIP.

VincePP

Paulw wrote: »

I pity the biker that was hit. I have no pity for the biker on the wrong side of the road.
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So you think he deserved to die?

Paulw

b_mac2 wrote: »

I know that Biker site is hard work sometimes, but at least they won't let people post this kind of shìt up.

... you're a mod too ffs.

It's on biker.

Me being a mod (on a totally different section of boards) has nothing to do with anything I post here.

I am also a biker. I've seen some mad riding. Just recently, on a boards.ie Sunday spin, we were overtaken by some mad guys, going very fast and overtaking on dangerous corners.

Videos like this MIGHT just help some bikers wake up.

Paulw

VincePP wrote: »

So you think he deserved to die?

I never said he deserved to die, I just said I had no pity for him. There is a big difference.

Shint0

That must have been really traumatic for the other bikers to witness too and knowing it could just have easily been them.

Max Headroom

b_mac2 wrote: »

I know that Biker site is hard work sometimes, but at least they won't let people post this kind of shìt up.

... you're a mod too ffs.

WTF is wrong with you...this is educational more than anything...go up Sallys/Wicklow Gap any sunday morning and you get this type of sh1t....idiots cutting right handers...notice the offender was on a foreign reg..probably thought he was at home....were they both killed..??

TallGlass

I do think that some people see public roads as there own private race track. Both in cars and bikes and they are anything further from a race track, public roads are like the wild west anything can happen to anyone at any time. Even if you doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Feel sorry for anybody caught up in any horrific accident even if it was there fault. No one deserves the fallout from any accident. But people need to be show this stuff while sitting there tests/theory. It happens all timet on cars/bikes.

If the RSA want people to slow down and cop on, they need to show pictures of the aftermath of crashes. Glass, fire, blood, degloving, severed limbs, loss of life all shown to people, IMO its the only way to get people to wake up to it and stop these one time moments of madness.

b_mac2

I think it's disgusting for anyone to watch the last few minutes of someone's life.
Even if its a "good message" for safety to get across to people.

BorneTobyWilde

Love how no one stops to drag him from flames

'' I'm here to ride, let him burn ''

I thought bikers had a'' one for all and all for one attitude.''

TallGlass

b_mac2 wrote: »

I think it's disgusting for anyone to watch the last few minutes of someone's life.
Even if its a "good message" for safety to get across to people.

Well I for one don't want anyone to die, people make mistakes all the time. If I was to die tomorrow because of a mistake I made I would have no issue what so ever with it been broadcast to the nation, if in the hope it would stop someone else making the same mistake.

cnocbui

b_mac2 wrote: »

I think it's disgusting for anyone to watch the last few minutes of someone's life.
Even if its a "good message" for safety to get across to people.

Sweep it under the carpet, that's the Irish way all right.

blade1

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Love how no one stops to drag him from flames

'' I'm here to ride, let him burn ''

I thought bikers had a'' one for all and all for one attitude.''

Every group has it's assholes!

Max Headroom

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Love how no one stops to drag him from flames

'' I'm here to ride, let him burn ''

I thought bikers had a'' one for all and all for one attitude.''

In fairness, it happened so quick..dont know how i'd react..just hope they were knocked unconsious...

stewygriffin

Max Headroom wrote: »

b_mac2 wrote: »

I know that Biker site is hard work sometimes, but at least they won't let people post this kind of sh t up.

... you're a mod too ffs.

WTF is wrong with you...this is educational more than anything...go up Sallys/Wicklow Gap any sunday morning and you get this type of sh1t....idiots cutting right handers...notice the offender was on a foreign reg..probably thought he was at home....were they both killed..??

The other rider is alive but in a bad way in hospital. His family also gave permission for the video to be releasedm RIP to the lad who died. Thoughts and prayers with both families.

shaunr68

stewygriffin wrote: »

The other rider is alive but in a bad way in hospital. His family also gave permission for the video to be releasedm RIP to the lad who died. Thoughts and prayers with both families.

Echo your sentiments, RIP.

For info, the inquest stated that the other rider, a German biker was also killed

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-34184297

clairewithani

Paulw wrote: »

I never said he deserved to die, I just said I had no pity for him. There is a big difference.

Disgusting thing for anyone to say. Agree with b_mac2

Nodster

Shint0 wrote: »

That must have been really traumatic for the other bikers to witness too and knowing it could just have easily been them.

I was the first on the scene of a similar head on one morning over on the Mountain course in 82. Saw it happen a couple of hundred yards ahead. One rider lying in the middle of the road with his foot dangling from his knee, the other in a ditch with two broken arms and legs. A frightening site for anyone. Thankfully others arrived on the scene and took charge. I felt totally helpless in the situation and rode back to Douglas at a steady 20 mph - don't think I ate for the rest of the day.
I later heard the rider lost his leg in the incident.

Mycroft H

It's seriously disheartening to see this. I don't mind seeing this and I think most riders should know how fragile they are when they come off. Not much in the way of protection.

On the subject of the TT, some of ye probably have known of John Hinds. He's a couple of great presentations on youtube. We also don't have what was the best anaesthetist going following us on a motorbike for situations on this.

rustynutz

Tough viewing, makes you realise how vulnerable you are when riding a bike. I think there are a lot of people out there that think if they are careful on their bike, do various training courses and always ride within their limits that they will be able to 'ride around' any situation that is thrown at them. The reality is you can be tipping along, doing everything correctly, and someone else can drive into you and end your life, or worse. imo if you haven't at least thought about that fact you don't belong on a bike.

As for the comments on lack of pity for the guy that caused the accident..... If you can honestly say you have never ever been caught out either overtaking or taking a left hander where you ended up on the wrong side of the road and had a 'oh ****' moment? well done, but I say you are talking ****, we've all done it, just didn't pay the ultimate price like this poor ****er, RIP to both.

moc moc a moc

b_mac2 wrote: »

I think it's disgusting for anyone to watch the last few minutes of someone's life.

Don't watch it then. Problem solved.

Shint0

b_mac2 wrote: »

I think it's disgusting for anyone to watch the last few minutes of someone's life.
Even if its a "good message" for safety to get across to people.

It was the biker's mother who decided to release the footage. I'm sure that decision wasn't taken lightly and was a very selfless act.

Some people have said the other bikers didn't stop but they clearly didn't watch the video as you can see at the very end that they did. They all dismounted and were heading back towards the scene of the crash.

Obviously they didn't have enough stopping distance to stop directly at the crash and would need to stop quite a distance away to avoid getting caught up in it from the spread of the flames in case their own bikes caught fire. One crash always has a ripple effect with the impact not just on the families involved but on the other witnesses and emergency services. It was quite a brave decision on the family's part to put the video out there.

Lumen

The oncoming rider has zero chance. The overtaking rider was almost full over on the opposing lane and then (speculation) on spotting the oncoming bike attempts to get back on the correct side, but only manages to get half-way.

So from the perspective of the oncoming rider, you have a bike coming towards you, to your left, and more bikes to your right. Even if you had time to react, what can you do? Move left? Ditch the bike? Presumably just brake hard in a straight line and hope for the best.

TBH if this was cars they'd probably both have died too. The closing speed must be over 200kph. Euro NCAP ODB test simulates only 50kph closing speed.

Here's a ~200kph crash test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7dG9UlzeFM

listermint

Lumen wrote: »

The oncoming rider has zero chance. The overtaking rider was almost full over on the opposing lane and then (speculation) on spotting the oncoming bike attempts to get back on the correct side, but only manages to get half-way.

So from the perspective of the oncoming rider, you have a bike coming towards you, to your left, and more bikes to your right. Even if you had time to react, what can you do? Move left? Ditch the bike? Presumably just brake hard in a straight line and hope for the best.

TBH if this was cars they'd probably both have died too. The closing speed must be over 200kph. Euro NCAP ODB test simulates only 50kph closing speed.

Here's a ~200kph crash test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7dG9UlzeFM

No idea, Dropping it to the floor prob the only option in that scenario. a slide being preferable to an abrubt head on.

Lumen

listermint wrote: »

No idea, Dropping it to the floor prob the only option in that scenario. a slide being preferable to an abrubt head on.

I don't think you can drop a motorbike in a straight line, but apparently it is possible to "get off" a motorcycle at 100mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTvv8_REgoc

(from about 0:35)

That trick seems unpossible, but there you go.

Cienciano

b_mac2 wrote: »

I think it's disgusting for anyone to watch the last few minutes of someone's life.
Even if its a "good message" for safety to get across to people.

Don't click on the video then.

Shint0

Cienciano wrote: »

Don't click on the video then.

I think people have beome more desensitised to real life catasrophes because of the proliferation of social media compared to the days of Kevin Carter. In some ways it's good particularly if a video like that might help to save at least one life if it sticks in someone's mind.

Cienciano

Shint0 wrote: »

I think people have beome more desensitised to real life catasrophes because of the proliferation of social media compared to the days of Kevin Carter. In some ways it's good particularly if a video like that might help to save at least one life if it sticks in someone's mind.

Yeah, if you think it might help you, great, watch it. Personally I didn't. But I don't like people coming on saying what should and shouldn't be posted purely because they personally don't like it.
Few years ago a guy was killed and wore a gopro. His parents made the video public because they thought it might save a couple of people.

Max Headroom

Shint0 wrote: »

I think people have beome more desensitised to real life catasrophes because of the proliferation of social media compared to the days of Kevin Carter. In some ways it's good particularly if a video like that might help to save at least one life if it sticks in someone's mind.

True..i know guys who watch those ISIS bastards decapitating innocents.....sick imo...:mad:

Gavin

There's a difference between watching something from some morbid fascination, versus watching something in order to learn from it.

I wish that crashes were thoroughly documented and published so that people can learn what went wrong and potential ways to prevent it happening in the future.

Hotblack Desiato

clairewithani wrote: »

Disgusting thing for anyone to say.

Doubt you'd have too much sympathy for a car driver driving recklessly on the wrong side of the road who wiped out a biker. If someone is being a berk they're a berk regardless of the vehicle they're using.

listermint wrote: »

No idea, Dropping it to the floor prob the only option in that scenario. a slide being preferable to an abrubt head on.

How would there be enough time to do anything? There would hardly be time to reach for the brake never mind squeeze it. Restricted sight lines (bend) and the closing speed was probably over 200km/h.

Gavin wrote: »

I wish that crashes were thoroughly documented and published so that people can learn what went wrong and potential ways to prevent it happening in the future.

In Ireland we have this weird idea that discussing the circumstances of road accidents is somehow 'disrespectful'. So nobody who gets killed on the road is ever reported as having done anything wrong. 'Tragedy' etc. and all that guff and nobody learns anything from it. Drink ten pints and go the wrong way up a motorway and wipe out yourself and a family and everyone will tell the papers what a great lad you were.

clairewithani

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Doubt you'd have too much sympathy for a car driver driving recklessly on the wrong side of the road who wiped out a biker. If someone is being a berk they're a berk regardless of the vehicle they're using.


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You know absolutely nothing about me.

3DataModem

Chuchote wrote: »

A GP told me a few years ago that student doctors from all over Ireland and Britain line up to work at the TT races in the Isle of Man, because of the experience of catastrophic injuries they'll get, experience that they're unlikely to get in any A&E.

Not really true. The head injuries get choppered to Liverpool (that's why TT is delayed if the chopper cannot fly). The rest isn't that special, by all accounts.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Paulw wrote: »

I pity the biker that was hit. I have no pity for the biker on the wrong side of the road

For shame, you might ride a motorcycle, but you're no biker IMO.

4068ac1elhodqr

Aside from ABS disc brakes, helmets and D30, little in the way of safety materials & tech has been seen over the decades for bikes/sports.
Although there is the 2010 Dainese airbag suit, perhaps something better like this should come into production, would be of benefit to all involved in any impact risks.

Max Headroom

Ruben Plump Board wrote: »

For shame, you might ride a motorcycle, but you're no biker IMO.

Bit harsh....just because someone rides a bike doesnt mean he has to be a mate....plenty of scumbags,paedos, rapists ride bikes...if you have to have respect total respect in every sense for other riders then i'm no "biker" either...;)

Skill Magill

Ruben Plump Board wrote: »

For shame, you might ride a motorcycle, but you're no biker IMO.

I can see where pawl is coming from, though he may have been insensitive, I'd put it like this, if the guy was riding like an asshole, swerved and binned his bike and the two guys lived, I'd have no pity for him, he deserved it. Lesson learned etc. The fact they both died takes it to a different dimension, and Pawl I think we all have acted the maggot on the road but were lucky enough to get away with it, I know I have in anyways and am pretty sure Mak doesn't keep both tyres on the ground.

Max Headroom

Well i have no sympathy for the idiot who caused the other innocent guy to lose his life...accidents are caused...

Hotblack Desiato

Ruben Plump Board wrote: »

For shame, you might ride a motorcycle, but you're no biker IMO.

This 'you're not a biker if X' is a load of pretentious w@nk.

For X substutute 'wearing textiles', 'riding a BMW', 'obeying the law', etc... what a load of toss.

As I posted earlier If someone is being a berk they're a berk regardless of the vehicle they're using. and a so-called 'biker' who kills another rider through their reckless, thoughtless stupidity is no friend of mine.

lalababa

Agree with hotblack, accident investigation synopses should be shown in a tv show like the one from NZ , giving proportioned weight to all the factors involved , educating the driving public to the consequences of certain actions. It is de rigueur for example to drive around bends at a speed at which you cannot stop in the distance you see to be clear.

Atlantic Dawn

Sadly it's life, the only hope is capturing it on camera will make some people risk less, rip to the lad/s.

3DataModem

3DataModem wrote: »

Not really true. The head injuries get choppered to Liverpool (that's why TT is delayed if the chopper cannot fly). The rest isn't that special, by all accounts.

+1,the only people that would be allowed near them would be specialist consultants or very experienced doctors. They would be flown off the Island as fast as possible. Unless the junior doctors are able to ride bikes at 160mph like John Hinds rip and the other doctors they wouldn't even get to the scene to see.