Mondeo - manual or powershift

Mashie

Hope fully going to be in the market for a Mondeo in the Autumn. Am thinking the automatic might be interesting especially with a Diesel..No of her reason really.Should have budget for a 2012 estate.I do approx.30,000 KM Per year.Short school runs followed by 46KM run to work over motorway and R roads. Will probably head to the UK. Appreciate any thoughts.

Mashie

Also do automatics create reluctance amongst future buyers..in Ireland anyway?

bazz26

Have you test driven both? That's the first thing I'd do and then make up your mind.

Regarding resale value, on premium branded cars automatic tends to be more common/popular, less so on non premium brands. I wouldn't pay much extra for an auto Mondeo as you're unlikely to get it back when you sell it. Average Joe here still sees an auto as being slow, thirsty and for lazy Americans who cannot drive a manual but slowly people are starting to come round to them as most automatics these days are very good at what they do.

grogi

bazz26 wrote: »

/.../ but slowly people are starting to come round to them as most automatics these days are very good at what they do.

The Powershift is one of the best at what it does Getrag 6DCT450/451 proofed to be very reliable, yet fast and enjoyable gearboxes. Coupled with 2.0 TDCI, which is again reliable, nippy and economical.

Excellent combination, one of the best out there... Definitely better than EDC (6DCT250) in Renaults and DSG7 (DQ200) in VAGs.

Consider C-Max and S-Max as well...

Mashie

bazz26 wrote: »

Have you test driven both? That's the first thing I'd do and then make up your mind.

Regarding resale value, on premium branded cars automatic tends to be more common/popular, less so on non premium brands. I wouldn't pay much extra for an auto Mondeo as you're unlikely to get it back when you sell it. Average Joe here still sees an auto as being slow, thirsty and for lazy Americans who cannot drive a manual but slowly people are starting to come round to them as most automatics these days are very good at what they do.

Yes I need to test drive one. Just wanted to see if anyone had any major issues so I could rule out straight away. Tks.

Mc Love

grogi wrote: »

The Powershift is one of the best at what it does Getrag 6DCT450/451 proofed to be very reliable, yet fast and enjoyable gearboxes. Coupled with 2.0 TDCI, which is again reliable, nippy and economical.

Excellent combination, one of the best out there... Definitely better than EDC (6DCT250) in Renaults and DSG7 (DQ200) in VAGs.

Consider C-Max and S-Max as well...

I suppose it would be better to get the auto with a 2.0 litre than it would be with a smaller engine ?

grogi

Mc Love wrote: »

I suppose it would be better to get the auto with a 2.0 litre than it would be with a smaller engine ?

Historically, there was a substantial power loss in the torque converter. That's why the consumption and performance of automatic cars were inferior to those with the stick.

However, with dual clutch gearboxes there is virtually no loss of power. Small engine with such transmission will work as good, if not better, as with a manual.

But when it comes to Ford, only 2.0TDCi was paired with PowerShift transmission to offer that driving experience. It is just recently that a few other engines is offered with Powershift gearboxes - but typically it is a different box - 6DCT250 with dry clutches. Renault is using the same. It is not as robust and reliable as the 6DCT450 offered with 2.0TDCi.

-- tldr

When buying automatic Ford, stick to 2.0 TDCi.

svms

Mashie wrote: »

Hope fully going to be in the market for a Mondeo in the Autumn. Am thinking the automatic might be interesting especially with a Diesel..No of her reason really.Should have budget for a 2012 estate.I do approx.30,000 KM Per year.Short school runs followed by 46KM run to work over motorway and R roads. Will probably head to the UK. Appreciate any thoughts.

hi mashie,what ever you buy do not buy a powershift gearboxe as they give endless amount of trouble.i work in a dealership and we had to replace the gearbox from ford with a bill of 4,800.
this was on a 3 year old galaxy with only 105,000 kms.ford ireland would not contribute anything towards the gearbox even that they know there is a problem with them.

Mashie

svms wrote: »

hi mashie,what ever you buy do not buy a powershift gearboxe as they give endless amount of trouble.i work in a dealership and we had to replace the gearbox from ford with a bill of 4,800.
this was on a 3 year old galaxy with only 105,000 kms.ford ireland would not contribute anything towards the gearbox even that they know there is a problem with them.

Tks for taking the time to register to post this. Is there a known problem. I wasn't aware there was with the wet clutch system.
BTW do these transmissions still have a DMF?
When folks sight that they have had to replace an autobox I always bear in mind that I had to replace the gearbox in my 00 Avensis at 160k. My point being everything is subject to giving up on you. Perhaps the important thing is the cost of replacing an autobox v manual.

grogi

Mashie wrote: »

Tks for taking the time to register to post this. Is there a known problem. I wasn't aware there was with the wet clutch system.
BTW do these transmissions still have a DMF?.

Yes, DCT boxes have DMF.

grogi

svms wrote: »

hi mashie,what ever you buy do not buy a powershift gearboxe as they give endless amount of trouble.i work in a dealership and we had to replace the gearbox from ford with a bill of 4,800.
this was on a 3 year old galaxy with only 105,000 kms.ford ireland would not contribute anything towards the gearbox even that they know there is a problem with them.

All cars break down, there isn't one that never does. It is down to probability...

svms

Mashie wrote: »

Tks for taking the time to register to post this. Is there a known problem. I wasn't aware there was with the wet clutch system.
BTW do these transmissions still have a DMF?
When folks sight that they have had to replace an autobox I always bear in mind that I had to replace the gearbox in my 00 Avensis at 160k. My point being everything is subject to giving up on you. Perhaps the important thing is the cost of replacing an autobox v manual.

yes there is a known problem with these.we would never retail any ford with a powershift gearbox in our dealership again.even the automatic gearbox specialists out there will not look at them as they never work out after repair.go for the manual and save yourself the 5,000.

grogi

svms wrote: »

yes there is a known problem with these.we would never retail any ford with a powershift gearbox in our dealership again.even the automatic gearbox specialists out there will not look at them as they never work out after repair.go for the manual and save yourself the 5,000.

Please share what this known problem is - I haven't heart about one before...

The DPS is not the best (but still rather good), but MPS seemed solid so far.

R.O.R

grogi wrote: »

Please share what this known problem is - I haven't heart about one before...

The DPS is not the best (but still rather good), but MPS seemed solid so far.

I'd also be a bit wary of a Powershift in a Mondeo. Don't have many of them on the fleet but I know we had 1 total gearbox failure - kind of put that one down to never having the gearbox oil changed (caved at about 120k from memory so was due it's 2nd change then).

Pretty sure we've had a couple that have been fixed under warranty when "Transmission Error" came up on the display, and we're still waiting for one to arrive back in Ireland after it gave the transmission error and started jumping out of gear, while the driver was on holiday in Zurich

Ron Burgundy II

Does the powershift in Fords use a dry set up? and then the second part of to my question does the Volvo auto set up from Ford come with the wet set up? From reading previous threads the dry arrangement is the one to avoid. My knowledge of Fords is poor so don't take my post as scaremongering just asking an honest question.

carsfan2

We had a 2012 ford s max with this transmission. Gave us endless problems and ford eventually replaced the entire gearbox under warranty when car was 18 months old.
Would steer clear if I was you.

svms

grogi wrote: »

Please share what this known problem is - I haven't heart about one before...

The DPS is not the best (but still rather good), but MPS seemed solid so far.

when that message transmisson error comes up its game over.we were advised to replace the cutch pack when this error came on at a cost of 1,200 between fitting and coding.the car still wasn,t right and within a few weeks the fault came in again.the only solution from ford was a new gearbox.with nearly all autos they can be repaired be it electrical or mechanical components.nothing can be done with these.as you can see from other posts im not alone on my view of these gearboxes.best of luck with new purchase.

svms

grogi wrote: »

Please share what this known problem is - I haven't heart about one before...

The DPS is not the best (but still rather good), but MPS seemed solid so far.

hi,it will get stuck in gear and then when it does change it revs up and goes no where,simillar to a clutch slipping on a manual and then the dreaded transmission error comes on.and then ford wash their hands of it but kindly will take 5k of you for a new one.rant over.....