Terenure (Crumlin) parish

Hermy

I have a record from 1929 referring to the baptism of a child on 18th Feb 1877 in Terenure (Crumlin) parish but I can't find the entry in Terenure register on NLI. What other parish might this be referring to?

shanew

Terenure Parish was founded in 1894 from part of the parish of Rathfarnham. Crumlin is also a 'recent' parish also formed out of parts of Rathfarnham.

Hermy

So any idea where an 1877 baptism referencing Terenure (Crumlin) parish might have taken place?
Would that be on Roots?

KildareFan

Roots doesn't usually tell you which church -it refers to the parish, and some parishes had several chapels.

It is possible that the baptism was in the RC chapel in Crumlin village - it was demolished in 1969. There's a photo in this report http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/Planning/DublinCityDevelopmentPlan/Documents/ADOPTED-Var23-CrumlinACAFinalDoc.pdf page 11.

Hermy

Sorry if I'm labouring this.
It's not the church but the record I'm after.

pinkypinky

Did you look at this, Hermy?

http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0489

Hermy

Thanks Pinky. Hadn't checked it before but no joy.
Her name is Anne Dowdall b. 16/2/1877 bap. 18/2/1877 as per the extracted record.

shanew

Two siblings born to those parents, Mary in 1872 and Sarah 1878 - both in Clondalkin parish just west of Rathfarnham parish.

KildareFan

Here's an Anne Dowdall baptised in Saggart - unfortunately the transcription says 1887 http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/8f43510038943

Hermy

Yes Shane - Mary and Sarah are sisters.

shanew

thought it was interesting that there was a child baptised before and after Anne and both in Clondaklin. Do you have a birth cert for Anne to confirm place of birth ?

There must have been an earlier St. Joseph's at Terenure/Roundtown before the current 1904 building as the images & presumably register starts 1870. The introduction page mentions this church being part of the parish of Rathfarnham, so was keeping a separate register before it split off as a parish.

p.s. does the 1929 document mention the name of the priest that baptised Anne ?

Hermy

p.s. does the 1929 document mention the name of the priest that baptised Anne ?

Baptised by Martin Walsh cc

shanew

Thom's Ecclesiastical Directory 1877 - parish of Rathfarnham (Rathfarnham, Crumlin & Terenure) P. P. Robert Meylor, and 5 curates
John O'Molloy & John Grimley - post town Terenure
Patrick Hanley - post town Rathfarnham
James Keon - post town Bohernabreena
Martin Walsh - post town Crumlin

I can see John O'Molloy performing baptisms in the St. Joseph's registers, and P. Hanley at Rathfarmham - but didn't spot any mention of Martin Walsh in either so far.. This 1877 bapt. for Anne should be in the Rathfarnham registers, but seeing as one of the chapels (Terenure) held it's own register - maybe Crumlin did the same ?

pinkypinky

Shane: always a mine of information!

Hermy

Thanks for looking into it Shane.

I've looked at it before and given up. And I'm still stumped by it now.

shanew

it appears that there is, or least was in the 1920s, another register somewhere which is not filmed and not online - Crumlin church may know if this is still available. I'd take the easy option and order a civil cert - all you dont get is the names of the godparents, but you gain the father's occupation

Hermy

The baptismal record isn't critical but not being able to find it when much else about the family was available I've been like a dog with a bone wondering where to look.

KildareFan

Hermy wrote: »

The baptismal record isn't critical but not being able to find it when much else about the family was available I've been like a dog with a bone wondering where to look.

I know how that feels!

I've sent a query to the parish office in St Agnes Crumlin to see what records they hold. info@crumlinparish.ie also the website is here http://www.crumlinparish.ie/about-us/location-and-contact-details/