Refused planning permission

Johnc35

Hi everyone, I am very worried to hear that I could be refused planning to build onn land that was transferred to me by my grandfather because I'm not a "local" even though I grew up 15 minutes away.I'm on the council waiting list for 10 years and I have rent going up through the roof.i will be out on the street with my daughter unless I find a way to be able to build my log house, which is only costing around 20 k to build. I can't afford a mortgage to buy a house and I can't afford to build a concrete house.any advice would be greatly appreciated

biko

From West.

Is the area Gaeltacht?

Metric Tensor

I'd say there's almost no way a €20K house will meet the building regulations.

As one tiny example what's the u-value of the walls?

To answer your specific question about the planning permission. Go to the area and seek the services of a local engineer, architect or technician - one who does a lot of planning permissions in the area. For a small fee they will be able to give you a good idea of your chances. They won't be able to guarantee you'll get it but if it's a total non-runner they'll know from experience

Bad_alibi

From the dozens of threads that pop up here about log cabins I can't remember ever reading one where the project was a success and the council granted permission. If it was that easy to do it you'd see then all over the country.
With he new building control act I'd say your fighting an uphill battle. You'll have to comply with all the buildings regulations, council fees, percolation etc. I'd say you could add another €40k onto that €20k figure.

Gumbo

Johnc35 wrote: »

Hi everyone, I am very worried to hear that I could be refused planning to build onn land that was transferred to me by my grandfather because I'm not a "local" even though I grew up 15 minutes away.I'm on the council waiting list for 10 years and I have rent going up through the roof.i will be out on the street with my daughter unless I find a way to be able to build my log house, which is only costing around 20 k to build. I can't afford a mortgage to buy a house and I can't afford to build a concrete house.any advice would be greatly appreciated

A log house should not meet planning and building regulation requirements.
I'm surprised someone even took your money to lodge the application to be honest.

BryanF

kceire wrote: »

I'm surprised someone even took your money to lodge the application to be honest.

No fear of that

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100506309&postcount=23

Op perhaps Go and speak to a local auctioneer and see what you can buy for your budget. www.daft.ie/11255068

DOCARCH

BryanF wrote: »

www.daft.ie/11255068

E20K :eek:

Calahonda52

I think the title is wrong
he says
I am very worried to hear that I could be refused planning

However for 20k its a great location, near the Ballmote dart station and next store to the graveyard [switch to birds eye view when in link]

http://www.bing.com/maps/#Y3A9NTMuMzQzODAwfi02LjI2MTQwMCZsdmw9NCZzdHk9ciZxPTQ1JTIwVG93ZXIlMjBIaWxsJTJDJTIwQmFsbHltb3RlJTJDJTIwQ28uJTIwU2xpZ28=

biko

Can it be clarified whether OP have been refused permission or is just worried?

Metric Tensor

I don't think he has even applied yet.

Gumbo

biko wrote: »

Can it be clarified whether OP have been refused permission or is just worried?

Metric Tensor wrote: »

I don't think he has even applied yet.

Yeah I'm realizing that now, I think he has just gotten word that he wont meet the local needs assessment etc

Johnc35

biko wrote: »

From West.

Is the area Gaeltacht?

No its not a Gaeltacht area West

Johnc35

This "local" issue is the barrier I'm meeting..It's complete bull****. Discrimination really. I'm not local and I wouldn't qualify! thats what the planning consultant told me.There are people from all over building in the area. How did they get it? perhaps a wink and a nod and a brown envelope? these people disgust me. All I want is to build my own house, on my own land. I haven't been down to a pre planning meeting yet people, this was a planning consultant that told me, but I appreciate all of your comments. people are telling me to get in touch with councillors to help, and if all else fails throw a mobile home on the land, live in that and let them try and put you out of it.

Johnc35

Bad_alibi wrote: »

From the dozens of threads that pop up here about log cabins I can't remember ever reading one where the project was a success and the council granted permission. If it was that easy to do it you'd see then all over the country.
With he new building control act I'd say your fighting an uphill battle. You'll have to comply with all the buildings regulations, council fees, percolation etc. I'd say you could add another €40k onto that €20k figure.

They told me the log house wouldnt be the problem, and yes, log houses ARE flying up all over the country because they are far more affordable, and even more warm in the winter than concrete built houses to name just a couple of advantages. they said the problem might be the location.the land is opposite the sea, with a line of houses each side of where I want to put my house.Yes, to make the log cabin to their regulations it will add to the price.

Johnc35

biko wrote: »

Can it be clarified whether OP have been refused permission or is just worried?

I haven't been refused yet mate, just told from a planning consultant that because I'm not "local" I won't qualify

Bad_alibi

Johnc35 wrote: »

I haven't been refused yet mate, just told from a planning consultant that because I'm not "local" I won't qualify

So one person (who's not the planning dept) told you that you might be refused and you've blown a fuse and decided the whole system is corrupt. If the thought of rejection has caused you to lose your ****, I'm not sure if you'll be able to handle the stress of building.

If reminds me of the joke, where paddy prays every night to win the lotto, one night God speaks to him and says "at least meet me half way and buy a ticket"

Bad_alibi

Johnc35 wrote: »

There are people from all over building in the area. How did they get it? perhaps a wink and a nod and a brown envelope? these people disgust me. All I want is to build my own house, on my own land. I haven't been down to a pre planning meeting yet people, this was a planning consultant that told me, but I appreciate all of your comments. people are telling me to get in touch with councillors to help, and if all else fails throw a mobile home on the land, live in that and let them try and put you out of it.

Typical Irish begrudgery, if I can't have it no one else should have it either, and before you start I'm Irish

These people probably went to the small effort of a pre planning meeting, employed an architect submitting their applications and waited for an outcome instead of ranting and raving online.

Bad_alibi

Johnc35 wrote: »

They told me the log house wouldnt be the problem, and yes, log houses ARE flying up all over the country because they are far more affordable, and even more warm in the winter than concrete built houses to name just a couple of advantages

ill assume that's a direct quote from the log companies own sales rep.

Markcheese

I dont know the area you want to build on/in.
But if at all possible get a pre-planning meeting with the council... straight out it'll imform you of how the council see any development on that site...the fact that there are houses either side may help... then its seeing how best you can fulfil that criteria, its a process..

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but go into the pre planning meeting with that attitude and be prepared for more attitude!!

Gumbo

Johnc35 wrote: »

They told me the log house wouldnt be the problem, and yes, log houses ARE flying up all over the country because they are far more affordable, and even more warm in the winter than concrete built houses to name just a couple of advantages. they said the problem might be the location.the land is opposite the sea, with a line of houses each side of where I want to put my house.Yes, to make the log cabin to their regulations it will add to the price.

Can you post up an example of where one of these houses are being constructed. We can then check the public planning site to see if it has permission.

The BCMS system will then tell us the actual construction method and if it is indeed a log cabin.

I think you might be mistaking the construction methods been used. No log cabin can meet the building regulations for a new dwelling imo.

Calahonda52

OP:
this is what refused planning permission read like.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/outsider-donal-og-cusack-denied-planning-permission-413746.html

Outsider’ Donal Óg Cusack denied planning permission

Johnc35

Bad_alibi wrote: »

So one person (who's not the planning dept) told you that you might be refused and you've blown a fuse and decided the whole system is corrupt. If the thought of rejection has caused you to lose your ****, I'm not sure if you'll be able to handle the stress of building.

If reminds me of the joke, where paddy prays every night to win the lotto, one night God speaks to him and says "at least meet me half way and buy a ticket"

The man who told me that I will be refused is not just any man, hes a planning consultant who worked in the council until recently

Johnc35

Bad_alibi wrote: »

Typical Irish begrudgery, if I can't have it no one else should have it either, and before you start I'm Irish

These people probably went to the small effort of a pre planning meeting, employed an architect submitting their applications and waited for an outcome instead of ranting and raving online.[/q

A planning consultant told me I will be refused because I'm not local.. He worked in the counci.i think he would know what hes talking about don't you? So yes I feel I have the right to be angry that I can't build my own house on my own land.these people are dictating the course of my life. I hope you're never in the same boat. If you were you'd understand.

Johnc35

Markcheese wrote: »

I dont know the area you want to build on/in.
But if at all possible get a pre-planning meeting with the council... straight out it'll imform you of how the council see any development on that site...the fact that there are houses either side may help... then its seeing how best you can fulfil that criteria, its a process..

Thanks Mark, I'll let you know

Bad_alibi

Johnc35 wrote: »

A planning consultant told me I will be refused because I'm not local.. He worked in the counci.i think he would know what hes talking about don't you? So yes I feel I have the right to be angry that I can't build my own house on my own land.these people are dictating the course of my life. I hope you're never in the same boat. If you were you'd understand.

When you were speaking about these people you implied that these people who were granted planning done so by back handers and brown envelopes. That's the begrudgery I was referring too.

I was in the same boat but I put in the effort and was granted planning. It took a year but it was worth it. You won't make it out the other side if at the first hurdle it's already got you angry

Gumbo

kceire wrote: »

Can you post up an example of where one of these houses are being constructed. We can then check the public planning site to see if it has permission.

The BCMS system will then tell us the actual construction method and if it is indeed a log cabin.

I think you might be mistaking the construction methods been used. No log cabin can meet the building regulations for a new dwelling imo.

Johnc35 wrote: »

The man who told me that I will be refused is not just any man, hes a planning consultant who worked in the council until recently

Johnc35 wrote: »

Bad_alibi wrote: »

Typical Irish begrudgery, if I can't have it no one else should have it either, and before you start I'm Irish

These people probably went to the small effort of a pre planning meeting, employed an architect submitting their applications and waited for an outcome instead of ranting and raving online.[/q

A planning consultant told me I will be refused because I'm not local.. He worked in the counci.i think he would know what hes talking about don't you? So yes I feel I have the right to be angry that I can't build my own house on my own land.these people are dictating the course of my life. I hope you're never in the same boat. If you were you'd understand.

Johnc35 wrote: »

Thanks Mark, I'll let you know

Did you get a chance to route out the log cabins that got permission and are built?