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Ibec/CBI set out ambitious road upgrade plan

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  • #2
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,976 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    marno21 wrote: »
    Their top 3 priorities are the M20, M50 and N15. Not sure I fully agree with a further M50 upgrade (big PT schemes needed instead)

    A bit ridiculous really, any analysis of the numbers will tell you that DARTu, Metro North and the M20 are the most important projects right now. The N15?? who on Earth uses it. The M50 cannot be further improved. Demmand management is the only answer there.


  • #3
    yannakis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭yannakis


    By M50 improvement, I think they mean the part before M11 which desperately needs to be widened to 3 lanes.

    I can't take this report very seriously though as it doesn't include M50 Junction upgrades, N3 until Clonee, and N4 until Lucan.


  • #4
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    waste of time upgrading any of the recently upgraded m50... the eastern bypass would be a worthwhile project. but not before DU and MN...


  • #5
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,118 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Interesting they mention Sprucefield.

    Also interesting that they didn't mention York Street.


  • #6
    medoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭medoc


    Interesting proposals. One thing that's missing and would be a good addition is an upgrade of the N52 from the M7 to the N33 at Ardee. 2+2 dual in certain sections and good single the rest at the very least. North east to south west traffic can avoid the M50 and busy N/M7 section plus it joins up most of the inter urban cross country motorway routes.


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  • #7
    BelfastVanMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    Absolutely. The difference would also be noticeable on the N7 Naas Road, too.


  • #8
    BelfastVanMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    Dammit. You already said that. Woops.


  • #9
    BelfastVanMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    The N33 would probably be best upgraded in that instance to 2+2, as it would inevitably be busier, but that should be a fairly straightforward job to do. Maybe couple that with a simple bypass of the N2 at Ardee, as well?


  • #10
    medoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭medoc


    BelfastVanMan wrote: »
    The N33 would probably be best upgraded in that instance to 2+2, as it would inevitably be busier, but that should be a fairly straightforward job to do. Maybe couple that with a simple bypass of the N2 at Ardee, as well?

    Yes a bypass of Ardee on the N2 and N33 to N52. A Birr N52 bypass also incorporating the N62 aswell. Maybe even go as far as renumbering the N52 as N33 and make it a primary route. Though this is off topic for this thread.


  • #11
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I have created a thread for discussion of the N52 Ardee BP here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=100516903#post100516903


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  • #12
    BelfastVanMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    medoc wrote: »
    BelfastVanMan wrote: »
    The N33 would probably be best upgraded in that instance to 2+2, as it would inevitably be busier, but that should be a fairly straightforward job to do. Maybe couple that with a simple bypass of the N2 at Ardee, as well?

    Yes a bypass of Ardee on the N2 and N33 to N52. A Birr N52 bypass also incorporating the N62 aswell. Maybe even go as far as renumbering the N52 as N33 and make it a primary route. Though this is off topic for this thread.


    That's a very good idea, r.e. renumbering as N33...surely, it would then be more likely to reveive funds for upgrades, being a National Primary?


  • #13
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Yes I would agree with redesignating the N52 as a national primary. This is a strategic route of national importance. Sections of the N52 are very poor and urgently require realignment/widening.


  • #14
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I can't see it happening as long as the M1 & M7 are tolled. If there was a decent national primary from Limerick-Dundalk there would be a reduction of income on the M1, M50 and M7/M8 tolls


  • #15
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    marno21 wrote: »
    I can't see it happening as long as the M1 & M7 are tolled. If there was a decent national primary from Limerick-Dundalk there would be a reduction of income on the M1, M50 and M7/M8 tolls
    There's no evidence to believe that that would be a factor. The government does not and should not protect private tolls.


  • #16
    medoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭medoc


    marno21 wrote: »
    I can't see it happening as long as the M1 & M7 are tolled. If there was a decent national primary from Limerick-Dundalk there would be a reduction of income on the M1, M50 and M7/M8 tolls



    The M50 toll is a government toll anyway as far as I'm aware. Surely it's in the best interest of everyone not to have traffic on the M50 that doesn't need to be there.


  • #17
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    medoc wrote: »
    The M50 toll is a government toll anyway as far as I'm aware. Surely it's in the best interest of everyone not to have traffic on the M50 that doesn't need to be there.
    The government would love said traffic to be there except during peak hours of 7:30 - 9am and 4:30 - 6:30pm.

    Any other time of the day they would get the M50 toll money, and the VAT on the M1 & M4 tolls, especially for cross country trucks.


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