Vernon mount on fire!

BryanF

Look out your Windows, one of Corks true architectural & historical buildings is on fire.

CB19Kevo

BryanF wrote: »

Look out your Windows, one of Corks true architectural & historical buildings is on fire.

Disgrace that the building was left fall into such disrepair,Now all gone.
I hope heads roll for this.

ShamoBuc

Magnificent building. I used to bmx down the motor cross hills as a young fella 25-30 years ago. I was in the building a few times, always got the feeling of grandeur when inside it. An absolute shame it was left go so bad. They fixed most of the roof 10-15 years ago but too little too late.

Really hope they catch the little shíts that started it. It will probably open the way for a hotel or something on the grounds at some stage of the future.

Roar

Hope they catch the fcukers who did it.

And to those in government who let it sit there for years, falling into disrepair, and doing absolutely nothing with it, this is much their fault as it is the little scumbags who set it alight.

TheChizler

Was walking down the south Douglas road around half 8 and realized for the first time what that impressive house on the hill by the South Ring was. Had never noticed it before. An hour later you could tell where it was from anywhere in the city...

Milly33

Just heard it on the radio, what a shame... And tots agree a shame they left it go to rubble.

namloc1980

Politicians out in force today lamenting the loss. Pity they weren't so interested in the place for the last few decades as it went to ruin.

dudara

Some significant ceiling paintings and architectural features lost. What a shame

flo8s967qjh0nd

Very sad to see this. The owners need to be held responsible here. Some thug may have lit the fire but the owners have neglected it for decades.

roundymac

AFAIA the owners have wanted to do something for ages but objections, mainly from people in the area stalled things.

the beer revolu

roundymac wrote: »

AFAIA the owners have wanted to do something for ages but objections, mainly from people in the area stalled things.

I don't believe that failure to achieve planning permission for a development absolves an owner of a listed building of major architectural importance of all responsibility for said building.

pwurple

the beer revolu wrote: »

I don't believe that failure to achieve planning permission for a development absolves an owner of a listed building of major architectural importance of all responsibility for said building.

They live abroad... Afaik they for permission to convert it a hotel, denied.
They applied to develop the rest of the site into housing so they could fund the restoration, denied.

I mean ffs.

Have you ever had any experience dealing with the council on a Protected or listed building? It's like bashing your head on a 'protected' wall. All the strangling or beurocracy, none of the supports. The preservation grants wouldn't even floor a room, let alone the rest of it.

Look at the home of george Boole in the city. The father of computing, in cork! It fecking collapsed before anything was done with it. That big house in tivoli, what's happening there? Drumcora lodge in blackrock... Another derelict one. Ballintemple house (lovetts?).

Our built heritage and history, pfft. Gone.

Made my blood boil hearing councillors moaning and wringing their hands earlier. The council are the roadblock!

ShamoBuc

http://www.irishexaminer.com/examviral/real-life/watch-drone-footage-highlights-the-damage-done-by-the-fire-at-vernon-mount-house-412453.html

Some drone footage of the damage done.

whisky_galore

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Disgrace that the building was left fall into such disrepair,Now all gone.
I hope heads roll for this.

Whose head exactly?

Even if the little b*stards who set the fire were caught all they will get is a slap on the wrist.

As for the politicians, they will hand-wring now and it'll all be forgotten about come election time because we as a people don't care enough about our heritage.
When it boils down to it all we do is hand-wring ourselves and spin the "won't someone do something" line.

boardsuser1

I've an awful feeling which way this is going!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/future-of-fire-damaged-vernon-mount-to-be-decided-458847.html

pwurple

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I've an awful feeling which way this is going!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/future-of-fire-damaged-vernon-mount-to-be-decided-458847.html

Bulldoze it.

It's wrecked already. Make it safe at least.

boardsuser1

pwurple wrote: »

Bulldoze it.

It's wrecked already. Make it safe at least.

Developers to move on site soon afterwards probably!

Is the structure completely fcuked?

I've never been up there.

Colser

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Developers to move on site soon afterwards probably!

Is the structure completely fcuked?

I've never been up there.

We drove in on Saturday evening ,it's really gutted.A few walls standing but the inside is completely gone,it's a shell.We had great times in there years ago and genuinely were upset to see it is now.

boardsuser1

Colser wrote: »

We drove in on Saturday evening ,it's really gutted.A few walls standing but the inside is completely gone,it's a shell.We had great times in there years ago and genuinely were upset to see it is now.

Would it warrant demolition?

Only when the fire occurred did I know it existed.

What was in there?

Colser

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Would it warrant demolition?

Only when the fire occurred did I know it existed.

What was in there?

I would have thought that they would restore it incorporating the remaining walls but I'm not an expert.

Years ago there used to be a bar in there when they held events up there,I never went upstairs but it really was a beautiful building,such a shame about the fire but something should have been done with it down through the years tbh.

ShamoBuc

I used to go up there with my BMX bike well over 30 years ago and cycle down parts of the motor x course. The building was really beautiful. I was in it, and the bar, but even then it needed a lot of work. From what I see from the pics it should be knocked. There would be a possibility of keeping about 30 -40 % of the main facade and building around it but much easier to knock it completely.
I hate when planners prevent work on buildings because they were listed. What normally happens is the buildings are left to fall into rack and ruin until young fellas do enough damage to ruin it completely. Surely someone wanting to do some work should be encouraged rather than to put as many obstacles in the way.

Roger Hassenforder

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I used to go up there with my BMX bike well over 30 years ago and cycle down parts of the motor x course. The building was really beautiful. I was in it, and the bar, but even then it needed a lot of work. From what I see from the pics it should be knocked. There would be a possibility of keeping about 30 -40 % of the main facade and building around it but much easier to knock it completely.
I hate when planners prevent work on buildings because they were listed. What normally happens is the buildings are left to fall into rack and ruin until young fellas do enough damage to ruin it completely. Surely someone wanting to do some work should be encouraged rather than to put as many obstacles in the way.

What was actually proposed, and why was it shot down?
According to the owners there was "outside intervention" to the planning process

http://amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/vernon-mount-owner-gutted-at-loss-but-believes-property-can-be-saved-412525.html

boardsuser1

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

What was actually proposed, and why was it shot down?
According to the owners there was "outside intervention" to the planning process

http://amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/vernon-mount-owner-gutted-at-loss-but-believes-property-can-be-saved-412525.html

What kind though is what i'd be interested in knowing.

Roger Hassenforder

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

What kind though is what i'd be interested in knowing.

Taisce might have Ixnayed it?

whisky_galore

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I used to go up there with my BMX bike well over 30 years ago and cycle down parts of the motor x course. The building was really beautiful. I was in it, and the bar, but even then it needed a lot of work. From what I see from the pics it should be knocked. There would be a possibility of keeping about 30 -40 % of the main facade and building around it but much easier to knock it completely.
I hate when planners prevent work on buildings because they were listed. What normally happens is the buildings are left to fall into rack and ruin until young fellas do enough damage to ruin it completely. Surely someone wanting to do some work should be encouraged rather than to put as many obstacles in the way.

The Poles rebuilt Warsaw's Old Town exactly as it was before it was destroyed but the Irish can't rebuild one lousy house.

boardsuser1

whisky_galore wrote: »

The Poles rebuilt Warsaw's Old Town exactly as it was before it was destroyed but the Irish can't rebuild one lousy house.

It's amazing what money can do.

***I didn't mention bribes***

Ludo

whisky_galore wrote: »

The Poles rebuilt Warsaw's Old Town exactly as it was before it was destroyed but the Irish can't rebuild one lousy house.

I'm sure we could if we wanted but it it worth the money to rebuild one isoloted house really? It is a completely different thing to rebuilding a town which HAS to be done. Apples and oranges really.

But sure it sounds good to say it as it pointlessly knocks Ireland again.

whisky_galore

Ludo wrote: »

But sure it sounds good to say it as it pointlessly knocks Ireland again.

Ireland needs to be called out, it's a great country but we've made the countryside, towns and cities ugly and bland.

Ludo

whisky_galore wrote: »

Ireland needs to be called out, it's a great country but we've made the countryside, towns and cities ugly and bland.

Tis boring at this point. Bad driving is an Irish only thing, bad planning is Irish only, homelessness is Irish only, welfare spongers Irish only,bad transport, health service...yadda yadda yadda. Only in Ireland...yeah right.

whisky_galore

Ludo wrote: »

Tis boring at this point. Bad driving is an Irish only thing, bad planning is Irish only, homelessness is Irish only, welfare spongers Irish only,bad transport, health service...yadda yadda yadda. Only in Ireland...yeah right.

Ah, you're more of a 'shur it'll be grand/keep the recovery going' type.

j8wk2feszrnpao

whisky_galore wrote: »

Ireland needs to be called out, it's a great country but we've made the countryside, towns and cities ugly and bland.

Called out?
Ugly and bland in your eyes doesn't equate to everyone else's eyes.

Ludo

whisky_galore wrote: »

Ah, you're more of a 'shur it'll be grand/keep the recovery going' type.

That may suit your narrative again but I'm afraid that isn't the case. I'm more a discuss the actual issue itself rather than make silly comparisons to rebuilding an old historical city after a war and implying this is a uniquely Irish problem.

The building itself is historically insignificant really in the grand scheme of things. Was worth preserving, but not worth rebuilding IMHO.

mordeith

Ludo wrote: »

Was worth preserving, but not worth rebuilding IMHO.

Problem is buildings are all too often not preserved until it's too late

Ludo

mordeith wrote: »

Problem is buildings are all too often not preserved until it's too late

Absolutely. A lot more should be done in this respect. The asylum being another and IMHO much worse example of this recently.

boardsuser1

Ludo wrote: »

Absolutely. A lot more should be done in this respect. The asylum being another and IMHO much worse example of this recently.

I genuinely fear for the future of that building.

ofcork

Crazy that the council spent money on the roof of a privately owned house owners should have been more responsible for securing the house.