EXCENEL any good and is it really Zero milk withdrawal

Hugh 2

A few years ago product was launched called EXCENEL
Zero milk withdrawal.

Asked the vet - he put me off saying it was too expensive it and was told 50 quid a bottle (and then it was too new and nobody knew if it was any good)(a chemist said that it was absolutely useless for mastitis).

Is it still expensive or any good with lameness and is it really zero milk withdrawal (is there other versions out there now)

Thanks

Sam Kade

Hugh 2 wrote: »

A few years ago product was launched called EXCENEL
Zero milk withdrawal.

Asked the vet - he put me off saying it was too expensive it and was told 50 quid a bottle (and then it was too new and nobody knew if it was any good)(a chemist said that it was absolutely useless for mastitis).

Is it still expensive or any good with lameness and is it really zero milk withdrawal (is there other versions out there now)

Thanks

I got an injection off the vet yesterday, it must be that, zero milk withdrawal and €73 for a 100ml bottle. The cow I was injecting had an infected quarter yesterday morning and very swollen so I injected her yesterday evening, she also got a tube yesterday morning the swelling was going down yesterday evening before I injected her and the swelling is almost gone today. I can't say that it's a result of the injection though as the swelling was already going down before the injection.

mahoney_j

Always have a bottle in cabinet from April on ,very good product ,expensive yes ,but worth it as no withdrawl .have used it on cows with scalds and feet problems ,2 15 ml shots usually enough .thinknit cost me circa 55 euro

Chris.

Absolutely excellent product I would recommend stocking a few bottles. If you can get a cow that has foul or anonther inflammation related lameness early it'll clear it up before it really gets going. Saves the cow a lot of pain and discomfort and it'll save you dollars in the long run.

FeelTheBern

Excenel is zero withdrawal alright but recollection is pointless using it for mastisits - doesn't cross barrier into mammary gland effectively, hence zero withdrawal.

Sam Kade

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Excenel is zero withdrawal alright but recollection is pointless using it for mastisits - doesn't cross barrier into mammary gland effectively, hence zero withdrawal.

The vet said to use it to get the swelling in the quarter down.

FeelTheBern

Sam Kade wrote: »

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Excenel is zero withdrawal alright but recollection is pointless using it for mastisits - doesn't cross barrier into mammary gland effectively, hence zero withdrawal.

The vet said to use it to get the swelling in the quarter down.

Sounds like your injection was an anti inflammatory +/- antibiotic I'd say.

mahoney_j

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Sam Kade wrote: »

The vet said to use it to get the swelling in the quarter down.

Sounds like your injection was an anti inflammatory +/- antibiotic I'd say.

If treating a cow with antibiotic tube for mastitis ,absolutely no need to use an expensive product with no withdrawl Luke excenl .better use a course of tubes in conjunction with tylovet injections .often wonder about vets who prescribe excenl in conjunction with mastitis tubes for which there is a withdrawl .lining their pockets me thinks .....

Sam Kade

mahoney_j wrote: »

If treating a cow with antibiotic tube for mastitis ,absolutely no need to use an expensive product with no withdrawl Luke excenl .better use a course of tubes in conjunction with tylovet injections .often wonder about vets who prescribe excenl in conjunction with mastitis tubes for which there is a withdrawl .lining their pockets me thinks .....

I was thinking the same they usually give betamox or something like that when the quarter is swollen.

whelan2

Sam Kade wrote: »

I was thinking the same they usually give betamox or something like that when the quarter is swollen.

Ye was going to say that earlier, out of interest what tube did you use? I use cobactan here and it normally takes the swelling out without having to inject also

mf240

Anyone use uddermint alongside the other treatments.its very good to help an inflamed quarter.

whelan2

ye or vaccydine(sp) dont get uddermint on your hands though

greysides

The objectives of this study were to determine the efficacy of intramuscular administration of ceftiofur to reduce the incidence of case-related death and culling following severe clinical mastitis in lactating dairy cattle.

Twenty of 104 (19.2%) cases required additional therapeutic intervention 48 h after case onset, of which 6/104 (5.8%) continued to milk and 14/104 (13.5%) were non-survivors (Table 2). The proportion of all treatment failures (milking and non-survivor cows) was 8/51 (15.7%) for the cows treated with ceftiofur, and did not statistically differ (12/53; 22.6%) from untreated cows (Table 2). However, the proportion of all treatment failures was higher for those cases that yielded a coliform organism on culture (18/56, 32.1%; P < 0.001) than cases that did not yield coliforms (2/48, 4.2%; Table 2). Likewise, the proportion of cases that resulted in non-survival was higher for those cases that yielded a coliform organism on culture (14/56; 25.0%) than cases that did not yield coliforms (0/48; 0.0%; P < 0.001). Additionally, cases that yielded a Klebsiella on culture were more likely to have a non-survival outcome (7/12, 58.3%; P = 0.035) than cases yielding E. coli (11/44, 25%). Thus, when analyzed for cases that yielded coliform organisms only, the proportion of non-survival cows was significantly lower for cows treated with ceftiofur (4/29, 13.8%) than untreated cows (10/27, 37.0%; P < 0.05;


We conclude that intramuscular administration of ceftiofur did not affect the outcome of severe clinical mastitis when all etiologic agents are included in the analysis. However, for cases caused by coliform organisms, ceftiofur therapy reduced the proportion of cases that resulted in cow death or culling.


It is likely this effect is due to modification of the effects of bacteremia because ceftiofur does not distribute into the gland...

http://www.journalofdairyscience.org/article/S0022-0302(02)74340-3/fulltext?refuid=S0022-0302(10)00184-0&refissn=0022-0302

carrollsno1

whelan2 wrote: »

ye or vaccydine(sp) dont get uddermint on your hands though

Whys that? Would have gloves on regardless just curious

whelan2

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Whys that? Would have gloves on regardless just curious

Your hands would be tingling for a good while after. Also rubbed my eye by mistake and was fairly sore. So I wear gloves and change them as soon as I am finished using it

carrollsno1

whelan2 wrote: »

Your hands would be tingling for a good while after. Also rubbed my eye by mistake and was fairly sore. So I wear gloves and change them as soon as I am finished using it

Same happened me before aswell thought you meant there was health risks asociated

Sam Kade

whelan2 wrote: »

Ye was going to say that earlier, out of interest what tube did you use? I use cobactan here and it normally takes the swelling out without having to inject also

Tetra delta

Hugh 2

Thanks for the replies
Will have a chat with vet tomorrow about getting for some cows with laminitis
Interestingly enough I heard today that one vet was recommending some injection for behind the ear that also has no withdrawal ( anyone know anything about this ?)
Anyway I will ask vet about this as well

cute geoge

The injection behind the year is naxcel ,a good remedy for mortellaro

White Clover

cute geoge wrote: »

The injection behind the year is naxcel ,a good remedy for mortellaro

Any hoofcare man worth his salt could sort the Mortellaro without any injections.

whelan2

White Clover wrote: »

Any hoofcare man worth his salt could sort the Mortellaro without any injections.

Farmer should sort it without hoofcare man

White Clover

whelan2 wrote: »

Farmer should sort it without hoofcare man

Possibly Whelan but many have tried and created a fine mess while they were at it.
This craic of using injections on lame cows before examining the hoof is pure folly.

whelan2

White Clover wrote: »

Possibly Whelan but many have tried and created a fine mess while they were at it.
This craic of using injections on lame cows before examining the hoof is pure folly.

I have it sorted here with lincocin in a squuirty bottle, working so far

Hugh 2

whelan2 wrote: »

I have it sorted here with lincocin in a squuirty bottle, working so far

What's in the squirty bottle?

whelan2

Hugh 2 wrote: »

What's in the squirty bottle?

Lincocin powder mixed with water. Squirt it on affected area twice a day for three days. Saves footbathing and works well. Can do individual cows rather that whole herd. I do them in parlour when they are being milked

Hugh 2

whelan2 wrote: »

Lincocin powder mixed with water. Squirt it on affected area twice a day for three days. Saves footbathing and works well. Can do individual cows rather that whole herd. I do them in parlour when they are being milked

I used to get great results from Alamycin spray.
When it was easy to get we used to always have a can handy