All the anti muslim propoganda

jay-me

Dare I say that, when you are part of "the enemy" e.g the west, and you are to blame for the possible loss of not just people's families, but also their neighbors and whole society in general, you're are going to have countless pretty p155ed off people. When you in turn take them into your country for refuge you will find that some will cling to propoganda and religion to justify their anger / actions. And from that perspective they are entering the comfortable sheltered world that as far as they are concerned is the cause for their sufferings.. And in a way it kind of is! Not on an individual level necessarily, but on a government level for sure.

TBH if I was one of them and everything I knew was destroyed by what many consider to be the cancer of the earth (the western ideal). I too would be pretty damned angry and possible even vengeful. To luckier "normal" and seriously sheltered people the death of a child or indeed anyone is horrific but not when you have seen it every day for months! You would become seriously desensitized and seriosuly emotionaly imbalanced.

I guess I am trying to put myself in that situation and what the reality of it would feel like and I honestly don't think I would be content to just get on with my life and forget the attrocities I have suffered. And then to be brought to the epicentre of those I feel are responsible, I don't know what I would do! But you can bet if I had religion / propoganda to justify getting revenge I probably would as I wouldn't feel like I had much else to live for!

This all hypothetical of course but I wonder is that how it is for people?

Another possible

What I don't get though is what the end game is in all this from the perspective of EU leaders allowing a load of angry refugees in, and then the media filling everyone with propoganda to hate all the muslims. Why are people being segregated by their religion and not treated as individuals with individual reasons for their actions. Out of 1.6 billion of 7.1 billion people it really is a tiny tiny fraction of people that are acually causing trouble yet the media is more than happy to tar all 1.6 billion with the same brush.

Smondie

Who brought then to the epic centre of those te feel are responsible? Was there forced deportations from Iran to Germany?

RobbieTheRobber

This is what happens everytime we allow religion and politics to get mixed up together.

**** religions, all of them.

jay-me

Smondie wrote: »

Who brought then to the epic centre of those te feel are responsible? Was there forced deportations from Iran to Germany?

The fact that they have lost everything would be a considerably compelling reason alright. And for most it is possibly a new start but for many others it is an oppurtunity to get revenge.

Another possible reason I can think of is to highlight the plight they are going through. Like creating crisis in western countries brings the issues they face into mainstream media. Any publicity is better than no publicity. (I meant to add this to OP but I am extremely tired apologies).

jay-me

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

This is what happens everytime we allow religion and politics to get mixed up together.

**** religions, all of them.

And from their perspective **** politics, religion is all they have left.

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Well then let them stay in countries that allow them kill each other.
If they're coming for a new start, opportunities in Europe/Canada/USA, they need to be willing to intergrate with society and customs.

We should not be enabling them to take backward views, treating women like second class citizens and hate on tour through the west.

FalconGirl

Islamic culture and values are not compatible with the freedoms associated with the Western way of life.

In the same breath, the west severely f**ked up in the middle east which is a huge factor in the rise of ISIS and migration crisis. People should be out in their droves across European cities demanding action against Blair & Bush.

jay-me

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Well then let them stay in countries that allow them kill each other.
If they're coming for a new start, opportunities in Europe/Canada/USA, they need to be willing to intergrate with society and customs.

We should not be enabling them to take backward views, treating women like second class citizens and hate on tour through the west.

In India eating a cow can get you killed.. Horses for courses and what you are brought up with and all that. For muslim women that don't know any better it's the norm and so is it also the norm for their male counterparts. The problem is uprooting a mass of people and then expecting to conform to their gracious hosts rules, despite the fact that their hosts played a part in their issues in the first place.

JuliusSeizure

jay-me wrote: »

In India eating a cow can get you killed.. Horses for courses and what you are brought up with and all that. For muslim women that don't know any better it's the norm and so is it also the norm for their male counterparts. The problem is uprooting a mass of people and then expecting to conform to their gracious hosts rules, despite the fact that their hosts played a part in their issues in the first place.

Why don't you lot move to one of the predominantly Muslim countries instead of drastically changing Western Europe?

Smondie

jay-me wrote: »

Smondie wrote: »

Who brought then to the epic centre of those te feel are responsible? Was there forced deportations from Iran to Germany?

The fact that they have lost everything would be a considerably compelling reason alright. And for most it is possibly a new start but for many others it is an oppurtunity to get revenge.

Another possible reason I can think of is to highlight the plight they are going through. Like creating crisis in western countries brings the issues they face into mainstream media. Any publicity is better than no publicity. (I meant to add this to OP but I am extremely tired apologies).

No, that is quite a lame excuse from what currently known in this case this case.

He is a dual german/ Iran 18 year old nationality. Why didn't he kill his parents for bringing him there? If he had the passport why not move to the Islamic republic of Iran. What has this particular guy lost?

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jay-me wrote: »

In India eating a cow can get you killed.. Horses for courses and what you are brought up with and all that. For muslim women that don't know any better it's the norm and so is it also the norm for their male counterparts. The problem is uprooting a mass of people and then expecting to conform to their gracious hosts rules, despite the fact that their hosts played a part in their issues in the first place.

That's the type of rubbish people spew out in ignorance.

Tens of millions of people in India eat beef. You would not be killed for it. :rolleyes:

You really think all Muslim women are content with the way they are treated? Nonsense.


We all try to conform to the rules of the society we live in. When in a Muslim country I always respected and abided by their cultural norms; likewise when in Buddhist or Hindu countries. So should anybody moving to another country. Of course you can meld and blend but there are some basic issues within a society that you simply have to accept and respect.

jay-me

JuliusSeizure wrote: »

Why don't you lot move to one of the predominantly Muslim countries instead of drastically changing Western Europe?

I'm not a muslim? Also I am not an expert by any means I am just thinking about this and I wanted to run a few thoughts by people and see what they think so as I might learn something in the process.

However again I would say it's possibly a revenge motive. In saying that I don't know what they are being told in their countries that make them want to come to Europe, but I'd say it is probably either a new start or revenge.

fryup

FalconGirl wrote: »

Islamic culture and values are not compatible with the freedoms associated with the Western way of life.

yep, having your mrs dressed up like a pillar box is insane in this day and age

jay-me

Smondie wrote: »

No, that is quite a lame excuse from what currently known in this case this case.

He is a dual german/ Iran 18 year old nationality. Why didn't he kill his parents for bringing him there? If he had the passport why not move to the Islamic republic of Iran. What has this particular guy lost?

I was rreferring to the spree of killings as of late not this particular incident. The German guy apparently was over being bullied.

Boom_Bap

This appears to be a thread to vent hate against Muslims which is not going to happen.
It has brought in discussion from the Munich thread already, the discussion of that topic should stay on the Munich thread.