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oceanclub

So I went to the "Ireland Indexed Historical Records" page:

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/location/1927084


Here, I entered my grandmother's maiden name, selected Marriage for "Search with a life event", entered a "Marriage Year (Range)" then clicked search.

I get a list of results; however, no other details of the marriage are given other than my grandmother's name so I have no idea if it's the right one.

So then I added the "Search with a relationship" option,. and entered her husband's name and clicking Search. Bafflingly, I get _the exact same number of results_, which is confusing as surely this is a sub-set of the original search. Again, no other details are shown.

If anyone knows how I'm using this search incorrectly, please let me know.

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shanew

You are probably better selecting a specific collection first - e.g.
BMD Index
Extracted Marriages
Extracted Births

The BMD Index shows just the primary name, for a birth the name of the child, for a marriage separate entries for the bride and groom (but with the same references) etc. You need to order a research cert from the GRO to see the full details.

The extracted records, which do not cover all dates (app. 1845/1864 to 1880) or areas show a little more detail - e.g. parents for births, names of bride & groom, plus fathers for marriages etc..

pinkypinky

If you're specifically searching for your grandparents marriage, you will have better luck on the www.irishgenealogy.ie version of the index because they have paired up the couples for the 20th century (only up to 1939 at the moment). They also have the mother's maiden name in the birth indexes from about 1900 to 1914 (most recent year on their site for data protection reasons).

Hermy

pinkypinky wrote: »

...they have paired up the couples for the 20th century...

The pairing starts at about 1880 if I'm not mistaken.

oceanclub

pinkypinky wrote: »

If you're specifically searching for your grandparents marriage, you will have better luck on the www.irishgenealogy.ie version of the index because they have paired up the couples for the 20th century (only up to 1939 at the moment). They also have the mother's maiden name in the birth indexes from about 1900 to 1914 (most recent year on their site for data protection reasons).

Thanks - I tried the same period with her name there, and get no results at all....

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oceanclub

shanew wrote: »

You are probably better selecting a specific collection first - e.g.
BMD Index
Extracted Marriages
Extracted Births

The BMD Index shows just the primary name, for a birth the name of the child, for a marriage separate entries for the bride and groom (but with the same references) etc. You need to order a research cert from the GRO to see the full details.

Thanks, but for BMD Index the problem is I don't know which research cert to order, since there are multiple hits for her name (a relatively common one) but I can't verify her husband's name. Her husband's name isn't in the list of results or in in the details page when I drill down into the results. If I visited the GRO office, would they be able to check these results for me?

The marriage happened after 1898, the last year for the extracted results, so no luck there.

As an aside, the search results given by Family Search are pretty bizarre; search for marriages for name for a certain period and you're also given people of that name who died before the period.
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pinkypinky

Do you want to give us their names and let us try? PM if you wish.

Is it possible that one of your grandparents had a different official name? Very commonplace. My great-grandmother was known as Agnes but actually is Mary Agnes by birth and her official documents all show that name...took me a while to find her.

spurious

Different spellings can show up too.
I have a McKeon that appears as McKeogh, M'Keon and McKeown in differnt places.

shanew

If you have access to Ancestry or FindMyPast you can check for possible marriage cross matches - these show potential partners based on matching Index entries with the same references - i.e. year/quarter, reg. district, volume & page.

You can do this manually using the Index on FamilySearch - open two browser windows, enter the two names, filter both as much as possible by the same date range and registration district and compare the references.

oceanclub

pinkypinky wrote: »

Do you want to give us their names and let us try? PM if you wish.

Is it possible that one of your grandparents had a different official name? Very commonplace. My great-grandmother was known as Agnes but actually is Mary Agnes by birth and her official documents all show that name...took me a while to find her.

Yes please! Worth a shot: Elizabeth Nolan and Michael Walsh from Dublin. She was born in 1901ish so I assume wouldn't have got married til 1916 at very earliest; tried up to 1940. She was down as "Lillie" in the 1911 census, so I tried that as well.

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oceanclub

shanew wrote: »

You can do this manually using the Index on FamilySearch - open two browser windows, enter the two names, filter both as much as possible by the same date range and registration district and compare the references.

I tried something similar - copied the results to two text files, stripped out all the repetitive text and just left the dates and compared - but no luck.

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shanew

only Michael Walsh to Nolan marriage I've spotted on the GRO index so far in to an Anne in Westport - nothing in Dublin.

Do you know where their first child was born ?

shanew

using one of the advanced indexes I see 13 Michael Walsh/Welsh marriages 1930+-20 yrs, where the bride's surname is Nolan/Nowlan etc - none named Elizabeth or similar, a couple on Dublin city or County : Margaret 1935, Mary 1938, Kathleen 1948, Cecilia 1938 and Anne 1942

Hermy

The entry at irishgenealogy.ie for Elizabeth spells her mothers maiden name Beahan instead of Behan.

pinkypinky

I did intend to help but you all did while I ate lunch.

Right, my search shows the same results as above.

Next steps:
Birth cert of eldest child to get correct legal names of your grandparents (note this may be something the family already has in their files)
Do you know the church they married in? Or roughly where in Dublin they were from?

I presume this is Lillie on the 1911?

oceanclub

Hermy wrote: »

The entry at irishgenealogy.ie for Elizabeth spells her mothers maiden name Beahan instead of Behan.

That should be her; I have details of her parent's wedding (mother was spelled "Bihan" there but I'm assuming mispelling since that name doesn't even exist).

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/257a470058388

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tabbey

oceanclub wrote: »

That should be her; I have details of her parent's wedding (mother was spelled "Bihan" there but I'm assuming mispelling since that name doesn't even exist).

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/257a470058388

P.

Never discount the possibility of a variant spelling, it is very easy for letter e to be mistranscribed as letter i.

Grenham lists no less than twenty spelling variants of Behan.