Rollbar for Quad

ishotjr2

Hi

Anyone ever come across these roll bars for Quads, seems obvious and a good idea.
http://www.quadbar.com.au/
https://milkmaidmarian.com/tag/atv/

A few different variations of them, look to be popular in Australia and NZ.

valtraman

I hope these become mandatory in the near future , a great idea

Never wrestle with pigs

There is a better one that's fairly new, from NZ I think. It's like a rubber ring. When the quad rolls over and the anti roll bar is ontop of you, you are unharmed because of the design.

roosky

You would need serious hilly ground or a serious need for speed to roll a farm quad,,,,, i have a honda 450 and i drive it hard enough but never came close to rolling it !!!

Username John

roosky wrote: »

You would need serious hilly ground or a serious need for speed to roll a farm quad,,,,, i have a honda 450 and i drive it hard enough but never came close to rolling it !!!

Reclaimed some ground this year that was too hilly for a tractor to reseed. Got a quad and spinner to put out the grass seed.
First go around the field the quad went over, and he wasn't flying it... No one injured, the lad driving knew twas going to happen so hopped off in time... But it went over easier than I would have expected too...

Edit : I think they're a good idea. You could make the same argument for a small tractor with rollbar - that you'd need very hilly ground or speed to turn em, but we expect to see rollbars on tractors now...

Grueller

roosky wrote: »

You would need serious hilly ground or a serious need for speed to roll a farm quad,,,,, i have a honda 450 and i drive it hard enough but never came close to rolling it !!!

Man about 10 miles from here flipped one. Crossing a level field and his jacket was falling from the rear pannier. He twisted to catch and wrenched the steering about without realising causing the quad to flip over on him. Paralysed from the neck down now the poor fella.
I would be 100% in agreement with the roll bar. It only needs to save one person to be a good idea.

kowtow

I can see the logic but it would play havoc with my technique of ducking under the elastic bungies on the strip divisions....

ganmo

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

There is a better one that's fairly new, from NZ I think. It's like a rubber ring. When the quad rolls over and the anti roll bar is ontop of you, you are unharmed because of the design.

I saw that too I think they look like a great idea.

fastrac

http://atvlifeguard.co.nz/

Never wrestle with pigs

fastrac wrote: »

http://atvlifeguard.co.nz/

That's the one.

ishotjr2

http://atvlifeguard.co.nz/
1000 euro + shipping + (duties if any)
-or-
http://www.quadbar.com.au/
For 400 + shipping + (duties if any)

I think I would go for the Lifeguard one even though 600 in the difference.

At minimum one of them is worth having, too easy to flip/roll a quad, especially when you are tired.

einn32

ishotjr2 wrote: »

http://atvlifeguard.co.nz/
1000 euro + shipping + (duties if any)
-or-
http://www.quadbar.com.au/
For 400 + shipping + (duties if any)

I think I would go for the Lifeguard one even though 600 in the difference.

At minimum one of them is worth having, too easy to flip/roll a quad, especially when you are tired.

Lifeguard one seems a decent job alright. Might get in the way sometimes but beats a death/injury. Some amount of people killed/injured off four wheelers.

Markcheese

roosky wrote:

You would need serious hilly ground or a serious need for speed to roll a farm quad,,,,, i have a honda 450 and i drive it hard enough but never came close to rolling it !!!

I dont reckon the seriously hilly fields are the really dangerous bits, because your usually traveling very slowly and minding yourself... so even if you roll you can get off .
Its the flatter,faster bits where the unexpected happens that cause the problems...
Should roll bars be made mandatory (either new quads or for farm insurance) ?? ,it'd up the price of the quad,but probably drop the price of roll bars :-)

bullnuts

Markcheese wrote: »

I dont reckon the seriously hilly fields are the really dangerous bits, because your usually traveling very slowly and minding yourself... so even if you roll you can get off .
Its the flatter,faster bits where the unexpected happens that cause the problems...
Should roll bars be made mandatory (either new quads or for farm insurance) ?? ,it'd up the price of the quad,but probably drop the price of roll bars :-)

a big mistake people make is pumping the wheels too hard! Tyres on a quad should be only 1/3 inflated ! They should sound as if flat on the road

Username John

bullnuts wrote: »

a big mistake people make is pumping the wheels too hard! Tyres on a quad should be only 1/3 inflated ! They should sound as if flat on the road

Why is that?

gctest50

Those side-by-side ones be a lot better ?




http://www.agriculture.com/machinery/other-machinery/utility-vehicles/cam-moves-into-utility-utv-market-with_258-ar50491

bullnuts

Username John wrote: »

Why is that?

When you bit a bump or large stone with full pumped tyres your starting into a bounce that can easily flip you over ! Soft tyres absorb impact of rocks ruts and ridges

djmc

I'm probably the only one that would be against it having rolled my quad several times
Biggest problem is jumping clear and getting out of the way before it lands on top of me.
I think if you are still on it when the roll bar is any use your in trouble and more likely to get a belt from it after coming off the quad.
I have high ground and the quad will turn over faster than anything else due to the narrow wheel base
Usually happens when traveling crossways on hilly ground and not paying attention to a hump or hollow in the field.
Always traveling slow so you would be aware it's going over .

Odelay

I think it's those that have level ground and think they don't need it are those that need it most.

gctest50

djmc wrote: »

I'm probably the only one that would be against it having rolled my quad several times
Biggest problem is jumping clear and getting out of the way before it lands on top of me.
I think if you are still on it when the roll bar is any use your in trouble and more likely to get a belt from it after coming off the quad.
I have high ground and the quad will turn over faster than anything else due to the narrow wheel base
Usually happens when traveling crossways on hilly ground and not paying attention to a hump or hollow in the field.
Always traveling slow so you would be aware it's going over .

widening kit ?

this sort of thing :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-Blaster-200-A-arms-Shocks-ATV-Widening-Kit-6-/180715801013?vxp=mtr&hash=item2a138049b5









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Muckit

It won't stop you driving into a pole. What about seat belts? And sure head injuries, but l never see anyone wearing a helmet.

Then theres the whole area of training. Maybe they should be ticketed like say machinery on building sites. You need to do a special course todrive a forklift or a digger but any clown can jump on a quad.

Or get rid of them altogether and everyone just buy a good pair of boots and walk and cut down on the national obesity problem!! A rollbar indeed. Sounds like a good device for getting some lads on and off them. Roll them on. Roll them off.

Grueller

Muckit wrote: »

It won't stop you driving into a pole. What about seat belts? And sure head injuries, but l never see anyone wearing a helmet.

Then theres the whole area of training. Maybe they should be ticketed like say machinery on building sites. You need to do a special course todrive a forklift or a digger but any clown can jump on a quad.

Or get rid of them altogether and everyone just buy a good pair of boots and walk and cut down on the national obesity problem!! A rollbar indeed. Sounds like a good device for getting some lads on and off them. Roll them on. Roll them off.

Paragraph 2 makes sense.

I used to think like you in paragraph 3 about quads. However on large upland sheep farms they are necessary. Also on very large farms thay are necessary as they are vastly increasing the amount of work that a man can do in a day due to cutting down on walking time. I don't have one but on a level 100ish acre farm I don't need one. The boss is getting bet on walking now so when he needs one it will be an RTV I will buy for his use. Road legal, cab, load bed. Far better than a quad for my situation.

ganmo

bullnuts wrote: »

When you bit a bump or large stone with full pumped tyres your starting into a bounce that can easily flip you over ! Soft tyres absorb impact of rocks ruts and ridges

is that not what the suspension is for?

ishotjr2

Muckit wrote: »

It won't stop you driving into a pole. What about seat belts? And sure head injuries, but l never see anyone wearing a helmet.

Then theres the whole area of training. Maybe they should be ticketed like say machinery on building sites. You need to do a special course todrive a forklift or a digger but any clown can jump on a quad.

Or get rid of them altogether and everyone just buy a good pair of boots and walk and cut down on the national obesity problem!! A rollbar indeed. Sounds like a good device for getting some lads on and off them. Roll them on. Roll them off.

Tell ye what around Feb you come round my place and we will start wheel barrowing the compost up the hill into the orchard, it is good craic and does wonders for the waist line especially if there's a good drop of rain.

Luggin posts up the hill is another job ye can help with

Thought the same about quads, but the 35 just cant go where I need it in Feb.

djmc

Grueller wrote: »

Paragraph 2 makes sense.

I used to think like you in paragraph 3 about quads. However on large upland sheep farms they are necessary. Also on very large farms thay are necessary as they are vastly increasing the amount of work that a man can do in a day due to cutting down on walking time. I don't have one but on a level 100ish acre farm I don't need one. The boss is getting bet on walking now so when he needs one it will be an RTV I will buy for his use. Road legal, cab, load bed. Far better than a quad for my situation.

I agree on large upland farms they are a necessity and cut out hours of walking.
Any training coarse would want to be an off road obstacle course like motocross or 4x4 off roading.
A course on a level yard or field would be a waste of time.

ganmo

djmc wrote: »

I agree on large upland farms they are a necessity and cut out hours of walking.
Any training coarse would want to be an off road obstacle course like motocross or 4x4 off roading.
A course on a level yard or field would be a waste of time.

the best training I got on a quad was in one of them adventure places when i was 10/12 learned about shifting weight etc and thats saved my bacon once or twice.

Username John

Muckit wrote: »

It won't stop you driving into a pole. What about seat belts? And sure head injuries, but l never see anyone wearing a helmet.

Then theres the whole area of training. Maybe they should be ticketed like say machinery on building sites. You need to do a special course todrive a forklift or a digger but any clown can jump on a quad.

Or get rid of them altogether and everyone just buy a good pair of boots and walk and cut down on the national obesity problem!! A rollbar indeed. Sounds like a good device for getting some lads on and off them. Roll them on. Roll them off.

So basically what yer saying is "I dont need one, so I dont see why anyone else does?"

bullnuts

ganmo wrote: »

is that not what the suspension is for?

Yes but a full pumped tyre really exaggerates a bump ! That's the way I bought mine and was told keep them at a tiny pressure can't remember now what it was

mayota

Grueller wrote: »

Paragraph 2 makes sense.

I used to think like you in paragraph 3 about quads. However on large upland sheep farms they are necessary. Also on very large farms thay are necessary as they are vastly increasing the amount of work that a man can do in a day due to cutting down on walking time. I don't have one but on a level 100ish acre farm I don't need one. The boss is getting bet on walking now so when he needs one it will be an RTV I will buy for his use. Road legal, cab, load bed. Far better than a quad for my situation.

Get him one before he 'needs' it.

kowtow

bullnuts wrote: »

a big mistake people make is pumping the wheels too hard! Tyres on a quad should be only 1/3 inflated ! They should sound as if flat on the road

Agree completely - they are only supposed to be 3psi!

But we find they don't hold their rims at the recommended pressure, spend ages looking for punctures that don't exist.

I'm sure many like us pump them up just to keep them inflated at all. Would love to find a cure.

Limestone Cowboy

kowtow wrote: »

Agree completely - they are only supposed to be 3psi!

But we find they don't hold their rims at the recommended pressure, spend ages looking for punctures that don't exist.

I'm sure many like us pump them up just to keep them inflated at all. Would love to find a cure.

+1 on that.

bullnuts

kowtow wrote: »

Agree completely - they are only supposed to be 3psi!

But we find they don't hold their rims at the recommended pressure, spend ages looking for punctures that don't exist.

I'm sure many like us pump them up just to keep them inflated at all. Would love to find a cure.

Do they seal them or a tube? Dunno if there are tubes in mine or not tbh!

ganmo

bullnuts wrote: »

Do they seal them or a tube? Dunno if there are tubes in mine or not tbh!

no tubes in our honda 420

BnB

djmc wrote: »

I'm probably the only one that would be against it having rolled my quad several times
Biggest problem is jumping clear and getting out of the way before it lands on top of me.

The biggest problem isn't jumping clear and getting out of the way in time.... the biggest problem is that you have rolled your quad several times....!!!!

DanielGibbons

A fella I know hired a quad a number of years ago for spraying ferns etc on a field which is the foot of a mountain, so a very steep hill.

He was going up the hill, accidentally pulsed the throttle...

Front wheels lifted, and she started coming back on top of him!
He couldn't jump in time but managed to time it, as he landed on his back (with quad) to use the force of the bounce, to push the quad off with his legs.

He stood up and saw the quad bouncing down the field for a solid 10 seconds...

Long story short, if he wasn't paying enough heed it would have crushed him instantly.
The bar would have protected this.
Although, the narrow bar could have tumbled it sideways, after it came back (if you know what I mean...)

Stay safe folks!!

bullnuts

DanielGibbons wrote: »

A fella I know hired a quad a number of years ago for spraying ferns etc on a field which is the foot of a mountain, so a very steep hill.

He was going up the hill, accidentally pulsed the throttle...

Front wheels lifted, and she started coming back on top of him!
He couldn't jump in time but managed to time it, as he landed on his back (with quad) to use the force of the bounce, to push the quad off with his legs.

He stood up and saw the quad bouncing down the field for a solid 10 seconds...

Long story short, if he wasn't paying enough heed it would have crushed him instantly.
The bar would have protected this.
Although, the narrow bar could have tumbled it sideways, after it came back (if you know what I mean...)

Stay safe folks!!

Still think a roll bar would only work if your strapped to the seat ! And that just wouldn't work on a quad

pedigree 6

If a roll bar was put on a quad.
It would have to be lightweight (not to cause the quad to overturn).
Strong enough to withstand an overturn.

Then the problem of arms, hands, neck getting crushed on side of roll bar.
To combat that a solution would be a safety belt and strapped in. BUT you do not want to be strapped to a quad tumbling down a hill.

Now the nz rollbar looks good showing the flexible bar doing no damage to arms OR maybe a strong but lightweight T bar on the back.

It's a tricky one but all people new to a quad should do a few hours training with an instructor on a cross country course.

djmc

BnB wrote: »

The biggest problem isn't jumping clear and getting out of the way in time.... the biggest problem is that you have rolled your quad several times....!!!!

Yep the last time it rolled a few months back it kept rolling down the hill
It must have turned over about 30 times before it got to more level ground and stopped so I walked down the hill picked it up started it up and drove on back up the hill to put out the rest of the fertilizer.
The good news I was fine the quad was fine and im getting better at falling off.:o

Username John

djmc wrote: »

Yep the last time it rolled a few months back it kept rolling down the hill
It must have turned over about 30 times before it got to more level ground and stopped so I walked down the hill picked it up started it up and drove on back up the hill to put out the rest of the fertilizer.
The good news I was fine the quad was fine and im getting better at falling off.:o

Was it a trailed fert spreader and did it pop off or what happened to it when the quad turned?

djmc

Username John wrote: »

Was it a trailed fert spreader and did it pop off or what happened to it when the quad turned?

No the small electric type broadcaster
Nothing happened it amazingly it stayed bolted on and worked away again
Only spilled a bit of fertiliser.
It probably doesn't help lower the centre of gravity but couldn't travel with anything else on such high ground that early in the year.