Air Transat Pilots Arrested

lfc200

Just seen the below on Sky News this morning. If in fact both pilots were in fact drunk, honestly the stupidity beggars belief.

http://news.sky.com/story/pilots-arrested-on-suspicion-of-being-drunk-10505646

billie1b

Not the first time it has happened, certainly wont be the last either unfortunately.

lfc200

billie1b wrote: »

Not the first time it has happened, certainly wont be the last either unfortunately.

No unfortunately not...
I can recall a number of times over the last few years a single pilot being arrested for being drunk, nothing coming to mind though about both...

billie1b

Air Baltic last year is the most recent I remember with both pilots and cabin crew being arrested

lfc200

billie1b wrote: »

Air Baltic last year is the most recent I remember with both pilots and cabin crew being arrested

Didn't remember that one! Thanks for that...

duskyjoe

If proven guilty I hope they throw away the keys. They know the rules, they know the responsibility of the job, the know the consequences for breaking the law. Zero pity.

Irish Steve

They won't need to throw away the keys, if found guilty, they will have huge problems getting employment with any other respectable/responsible carrier any time soon, unless they can come up with a scheme that checks them before flight.

There's a lot more flight crew that have abused alcohol over a long period of time, and some of that is down to the problems of disturbed sleep patterns due to jet lag, while abusing alcohol to provoke sleep is not a good idea, there's a lot of flight crew that have done exactly that for a long period of time, and are very good as not letting it be seen.

weisses

Hope they go end up behind bars for a good while and are never allowed to pilot a plane ever again

billy few mates

I might hold off on the condemnation until more is known about the actual BAC readings they registered. The Railways and Transportation Safety Act 2003 that they'll be prosecuting them under is a lot stricter than our drink driving limits and is effectively a zero limit so it's possible to fall foul of the law with as little as a couple of innocent, though possibly ill-judged, beers or a couple of glasses of wine at dinner the night before. You don't need to have been out on the lash to find yourself on the wrong end of the law in this industry.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/20/section/93

I shudder when I think of the things we got up to twenty odd years ago on down route night stops, with room parties every night into the wee hours and then we turned up and did a days work after little or no sleep the night before. If you did it now you'd be locked up.
If they were on the lash they deserve whatever's coming to them, if it's an error of judgment or a minor transgression on a tight limit I'll be slightly sympathetic to their plight but they'll still end up paying the same price.
There but for the grace of God could be any one of us in this industry who's ever had a beer on a nightstop...

A Dub in Glasgo

I have pretty much worked under the same requirements on the railways for 23 years and it is easy to have a few the night before and still fall foul of the act. Here's hoping they were not in the pub for breakfast

duskyjoe

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I have pretty much worked under the same requirements on the railways for 23 years and it is easy to have a few the night before and still fall foul of the act. Here's hoping they were not in the pub for breakfast

Bet you didn't turn up in a cape for work!

billy few mates

duskyjoe wrote: »

Bet you didn't turn up in a cape for work!

No, I used to have to run off and change in a phone box whenever my super hero powers were required...:cool:

duskyjoe

I see in the Indo these two beauts kicked off whilst in custody. "Perreault, from the province of Ontario, and Syed, from Toronto, were also charged under section 38 of the Criminal Justice Act which relates to "threatening or abusive behaviour".
These guys are in world of manure.

Growler!!!

duskyjoe wrote: »

I see in the Indo these two beauts kicked off whilst in custody. "Perreault, from the province of Ontario, and Syed, from Toronto, were also charged under section 38 of the Criminal Justice Act which relates to "threatening or abusive behaviour".
These guys are in world of manure.

I was going to suggest that due to the very low aviation alcohol limit that by the time they had the full blood/alcohol analyser done in the station that they may be below the limit. Subsequently getting off from a conviction. However if they kicked off at the station then it will be curtains for sure.

Interestingly you can fail the "bag" test and be arrested on suspicion of being over the limit - this cannot be presented in court. That's why a more concrete blood/alcohol analyser is used for the actual conviction.

Nonoperational

billy few mates wrote: »

I might hold off on the condemnation until more is known about the actual BAC readings they registered. The Railways and Transportation Safety Act 2003 that they'll be prosecuting them under is a lot stricter than our drink driving limits and is effectively a zero limit so it's possible to fall foul of the law with as little as a couple of innocent, though possibly ill-judged, beers or a couple of glasses of wine at dinner the night before. You don't need to have been out on the lash to find yourself on the wrong end of the law in this industry.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/20/section/93

I shudder when I think of the things we got up to twenty odd years ago on down route night stops, with room parties every night into the wee hours and then we turned up and did a days work after little or no sleep the night before. If you did it now you'd be locked up.
If they were on the lash they deserve whatever's coming to them, if it's an error of judgment or a minor transgression on a tight limit I'll be slightly sympathetic to their plight but they'll still end up paying the same price.
There but for the grace of God could be any one of us in this industry who's ever had a beer on a nightstop...

Surely partying all and turning up to fly hundreds of people who's lives depend on you with no sleep and the possibility of alcohol in your system is an error of judgement in itself?

pm.

Probably would be an idea to have mandatory breath testing before a polit starts his/her shift. They have a lot of people trusting them..

ElNino

It looks like Air Transat initially only offered the passengers $200 CAN in credit against a future flight as compensation. It had to be pointed out to them, on Twitter, that under European legislation the passengers were entitled to €600 cash compensation.

https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://affaires.lapresse.ca/economie/transports/201607/20/01-5002749-des-drinks-a-200-000-pour-air-transat.php&prev=search